This Is Why We Get a Bad Rap!!

Monkeyman · #1 03-23-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I think this is very typical of people who leave works based churches. For a period of time their very foundation is shaken. Because they never really had their faith in Jesus Christ to begin with they don't always put their faith in him when they leave the UPC/Apostolic churches. They might leave the standards but will still cling to the damaging doctrines and toxic faith that they always had.

It is impossible to live freely in Christ without being "in" Christ completely. Without the Holy Spirit working in our lives daily we cannot have a Christian walk. Works based churches have tons of rules and peer pressure to keep people in line and many people never learn to trust in God because the religion brings about a false sense of righteousness.

Though we cannot know for sure I would question whether or not this person has ever truly been born again. She may just need some maturity.

And then we get this...sheesh, come on my lib friends, please defend us who are still in the ark!!!!!!

DG, this post was garbage

Pressing-On · #2 03-23-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyman

And then we get this...sheesh, come on my lib friends, please defend us who are still in the ark!!!!!!

DG, this post was garbage

LOL! All these years I just thought that people said and did carnal things because they were carnal - walking after the flesh and not the Spirit.

I'm finding out you can only act out, freak out, make mistakes, say bad words, have church trouble, people trouble, etc. IF you have been in a conservative church. I thought you were out of balance when you were carnal. Who knew? I'm so naive!

deltaguitar · #3 03-23-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyman

And then we get this...sheesh, come on my lib friends, please defend us who are still in the ark!!!!!!

DG, this post was garbage

So what exactly do you not agree with bro. I didn't mean to disrespect or paint a broad brush if that is what you have a problem with. We all know and hear the stories of the folks who leave and go off the deep end.

SOUNWORTHY · #4 03-23-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkeyman

And then we get this...sheesh, come on my lib friends, please defend us who are still in the ark!!!!!!

DG, this post was garbage

I agree completely!! I don't understand why it seems to be open season on UPC by so many people on AFF. Could it be that when some people leave UPC that God turns them over to reprobate minds. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with everything that happens in the Org but neither do I agree with everything my wife, my friends and my children do or say but I will defend them. I have always been considered middle of the road UPC.

One more thing. I see no need to use bad language even if I smash my finger! OUCH that hurts is enough!!

n david · #5 03-23-2009, 10:50 AM

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Could it be that when some people leave UPC that God turns them over to reprobate minds.

Uhmm.... wow. To be diplomatic with my response, I'd say I disagree with your statement here.

SOUNWORTHY · #6 03-23-2009, 10:58 AM

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Uhmm.... wow. To be diplomatic with my response, I'd say I disagree with your statement here.

My statement stands. I did not say everyone who leaves but this seems to be true in too many cases. They are back slidden and don't admit it.

n david · #7 03-23-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

My statement stands. I did not say everyone who leaves but this seems to be true in too many cases. They are back slidden and don't admit it.

There are those still in the "ark" with reprobate minds ... doesn't matter denomination.

Stephanas · #8 03-23-2009, 11:02 AM

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My statement stands. I did not say everyone who leaves but this seems to be true in too many cases. They are back slidden and don't admit it.

Congratulations!

I, for one, admire a person who will make a dumb statement and then stand by it.

Thankfully the cursing preacher's wife is not representative of people that have left the UPC, and you are not representative of the vast number of wonderful people who are UPC.

n david · #9 03-23-2009, 11:11 AM

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Congratulations!

I, for one, admire a person who will make a dumb statement and then stand by it.

Thankfully the cursing preacher's wife is not representative of people that have left the UPC, and you are not representative of the vast number of wonderful people who are UPC.

deltaguitar · #10 03-23-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

I agree completely!! I don't understand why it seems to be open season on UPC by so many people on AFF. Could it be that when some people leave UPC that God turns them over to reprobate minds. Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with everything that happens in the Org but neither do I agree with everything my wife, my friends and my children do or say but I will defend them. I have always been considered middle of the road UPC.

One more thing. I see no need to use bad language even if I smash my finger! OUCH that hurts is enough!!

Now this is typical of the propaganda spread about people who leave the UPC. Are you suggesting that because a person leaves "standards" or the three-step new birth formula that God is through with them? Do you really believe that the UPC is so right that leaving might cause people to head in the wrong direction?

I gave an explanation of why I thought this behavior was common with people who leave the UPC or other Oneness organizations. I am not attacking the UPC but suggesting that there is a problem that should be discussed and addressed.