Why are some x-UPCers so set on bashing the UPC???

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Good grief.

You are probably saying that because of this quote right?

The problem? Well, maybe it could be that the disunity could be solved by the church actually admitting to themselves that there is something wrong with their culture but they would have to admit first they even HAVE a religious culture.

I know the power of God and the ministry of the Holy Ghost is tremendous and at work in the church, however, when you live in a big city and you have family who live in big cities, and you have friends in big cities all with several surrounding UPC churches you get a pretty good idea of what is keeping these churches from fellowship and unity.

When someone prohibits fellowship and even preaches against their brother's church in another part of the city because they are not up to par in terms of insignificant personal convictions and outward expression of worship, they are not both UNITED pentecostal churches.

It gets me pretty upset in fact when I hear a UPC preacher talking over the pulpit or even in private circles about another UPC church that the church a neighboring suburb is dead because people aren't bouncing off the walls or because that pastor is a little simple minded or nerdy, etc.!!

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

You are probably saying that because of this quote right?



I know the power of God and the ministry of the Holy Ghost is tremendous and at work in the church, however, when you live in a big city and you have family who live in big cities, and you have friends in big cities all with several surrounding UPC churches you get a pretty good idea of what is keeping these churches from fellowship and unity.

When someone prohibits fellowship and even preaches against their brother's church in another part of the city because they are not up to par in terms of insignificant personal convictions and outward expression of worship, they are not both UNITED pentecostal churches.

It gets me pretty upset in fact when I hear a UPC preacher talking over the pulpit or even in private circles about another UPC church that the church a neighboring suburb is dead because people aren't bouncing off the walls or because that pastor is a little simple minded or nerdy, etc.!!

Heavy stuff man........

We as a church would check out other churches if we were their for a Sectional rally.

I would Check out the holiness of the youth or was the music worldly...etc

Whatch'n out for make-up, trimmed hair.

Or look at the Pastors wifes ring....and then talk about how big that rock was....

I was UPC for 17 years... I know the drill.

Most of the time at Rallies and conferences it was a Fashion show.

I have noticed that Now, UPC women frequent the tanning bed.

Those white UPC women are dark!!:

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Heavy stuff man........

We as a church would check out other churches if we were their for a Sectional rally.

I would Check out the holiness of the youth or was the music worldly...etc

Whatch'n out for make-up, trimmed hair.

Or look at the Pastors wifes ring....and then talk about how big that rock was....

I was UPC for 17 years... I know the drill.

Most of the time at Rallies and conferences it was a Fashion show.

I have noticed that Now, UPC women frequent the tanning bed.

Those white UPC women are dark!!:

So....being shallow is the org's fault and/or the preacher's fault...

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

So....being shallow is the org's fault and/or the preacher's fault...

yes. in many cases it is.

[originalsecretplace]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

yes. in many cases it is.

It can be if that's what being taught by example over the puplit. But everyone is accountable for their own actions whether in the pew or in the pulpit.

That's why ot so important to find out if what is being taught or if your being led by the right knid of example. We would be able to point a finger and say "it's my pastor's fault".

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

yes. in many cases it is.

It's always someone else's fault for how we act...

Originally Posted by Jekyll

So....being shallow is the org's fault and/or the preacher's fault...

no that is a sign that they went to a small UPC church

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Heavy stuff man........

We as a church would check out other churches if we were their for a Sectional rally.

I would Check out the holiness of the youth or was the music worldly...etc

Whatch'n out for make-up, trimmed hair.

Or look at the Pastors wifes ring....and then talk about how big that rock was....

I was UPC for 17 years... I know the drill.

Most of the time at Rallies and conferences it was a Fashion show.

I have noticed that Now, UPC women frequent the tanning bed.

Those white UPC women are dark!!:

Coop,

The tanning bed keeps them from having to wear makeup or be out in the sun in bathing suits.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

You are probably saying that because of this quote right?



I know the power of God and the ministry of the Holy Ghost is tremendous and at work in the church, however, when you live in a big city and you have family who live in big cities, and you have friends in big cities all with several surrounding UPC churches you get a pretty good idea of what is keeping these churches from fellowship and unity.

When someone prohibits fellowship and even preaches against their brother's church in another part of the city because they are not up to par in terms of insignificant personal convictions and outward expression of worship, they are not both UNITED pentecostal churches.

It gets me pretty upset in fact when I hear a UPC preacher talking over the pulpit or even in private circles about another UPC church that the church a neighboring suburb is dead because people aren't bouncing off the walls or because that pastor is a little simple minded or nerdy, etc.!!

Carp,

To be honest with you, I said what I said just for a little comic relief.

I haven't followed the thread too closely.

We've been over this stuff so many times over the years that I don't figure you and I have all that much new material to use on one another.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Carp,

To be honest with you, I said what I said just for a little comic relief.

I haven't followed the thread too closely.

We've been over this stuff so many times over the years that I don't figure you and I have all that much new material to use on one another.

Yea, you're right it's been fun hitting each other over the head with these here blow up baseball bats....