He Was More than Just a Man - Page 9

ChTatum · #81 03-22-2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

A lot of people don't understand "becoming". In "becoming" flesh that does not mean God was changed into an object like Darin on Bewitched being turned into a chair.

It means that God has a Divine nature. Divine nature is what Makes God "Divine". At the incarnation God obtained a human nature, that which makes you and I "Human"

If the Son is just a man that God was inside of, then that man is no different than you or I since God is in us.

That is Unitarianism, not Oneness. If being INSIDE that man some how makes that man different, then that is more like Adoptionism.

That is a two person view. One is God and the other is that mere man called the Son.

Good post. Now if you would just repent of USC affiliations and walk into the light which is the SEC, you would almost be ready to be translated.....

Praxeas · #82 03-23-2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Nina

I have always believed that God created a body in which His Spirit could live and die.

And that the difference between my flesh and Jesus' was that, even though His flesh was tempted, He had the fullness of the Godhead living in Him and His Spirit (which controls flesh) COULDN'T sin.

Do You teach sinless perfection?

Nina

When you say "his flesh was tempted" you attributed personhood to a mere physical body. Persons are tempted. Human persons are tempted because we have a human nature. So He (God) was tempted because He has a human nature (which includes a body),

Also when you say "living in him" you are refering to the flesh as a person and suggesting there are two persons, God that was in the body, and the body.

A Divine person and a Human person

Praxeas · #83 03-23-2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ChTatum

Good post. Now if you would just repent of USC affiliations and walk into the light which is the SEC, you would almost be ready to be translated.....

Just wait till next year. ha!

As far as basketball is concerned I am a long time UCLA fan, but I knew they were gonna bomb. They just were too inconsistent this year.

Nina · #84 03-23-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

When you say "his flesh was tempted" you attributed personhood to a mere physical body. Persons are tempted. Human persons are tempted because we have a human nature. So He (God) was tempted because He has a human nature (which includes a body),

Also when you say "living in him" you are refering to the flesh as a person and suggesting there are two persons, God that was in the body, and the body.

A Divine person and a Human person

Brother,

Could Jesus' flesh simply be the part that, in all other humans, returns to dust after death?
When I say 'living in him,' I mean, living in the flesh that Jesus created through Mary's body.

Do You think I have an inaccurate view of Jesus?

Nina

tbpew · #85 03-23-2009, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Nina

Brother,

Could Jesus' flesh simply be the part that, in all other humans, returns to dust after death?
When I say 'living in him,' I mean, living in the flesh that Jesus created through Mary's body.

Do You think I have an inaccurate view of Jesus?

Nina

The Psalmist contains the prophecy that identifies that Messiah (thy Holy One) would not have his soul left in Hell or would his body suffer corruption.

For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. [Ps 16:10].
This prophecy is brought into two NT cites in Acts; Peter preaching in Chapter 2 and Paul in Chapter 13.

The corruption spoken of is the breaking down of the body in the process of returning to the earth (worms and other processes).

So we have a prophecy in Psalms with two affirming witnesses by the mouth of Peter and Paul that provide understanding concerning the Son of God:
1. His soul would NOT be left in hell
2. His body would NOT suffer corruption.

If his body did not suffer corruption, then his body did not return to the earth.

Plus it seems apparent that the "thou" in Psalms 16:10 is not the same person as the "Holy One" since the possessive pronoun "thine" is used.

Nina · #86 03-23-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tbpew

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For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. [Ps 16:10].
This prophecy is brought into two NT cites in Acts; Peter preaching in Chapter 2 and Paul in Chapter 13.

The corruption spoken of is the breaking down of the body in the process of returning to the earth (worms and other processes).

So we have a prophecy in Psalms with two affirming witnesses by the mouth of Peter and Paul that provide understanding concerning the Son of God:
1. His soul would NOT be left in hell
2. His body would NOT suffer corruption.

If his body did not suffer corruption, then his body did not return to the earth.

Plus it seems apparent that the "thou" in Psalms 16:10 is not the same person as the "Holy One" since the possessive pronoun "thine" is used.

Couldn't God have created human body for Himself that He prophesied wouldn't decompose because He knew He would 'glorify' it before it could decompose?

Also,

It isn't apparent to me that thou and thine aren't the same.
Couldn't 'Thine Holy One' simply be the Glorified body?

Bro, tbpew,
Do You teach sinless perfection?

Thanks,
Nina

Praxeas · #87 03-23-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nina

Brother,

Could Jesus' flesh simply be the part that, in all other humans, returns to dust after death?
When I say 'living in him,' I mean, living in the flesh that Jesus created through Mary's body.

Do You think I have an inaccurate view of Jesus?

Nina

That would be his body, but to refer to His body as a "he" is to make that body a person. So really you mean "Living in it".

But the Son is not an it. The Son is defined as a WHO (God) with both a Divine and a Human nature, at least as far as Oneness authors like David Bernard go

Nina · #88 03-23-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

That would be his body, but to refer to His body as a "he" is to make that body a person. So really you mean "Living in it".

Yes, sir. I understand. That's what I mean.

But the Son is not an it. The Son is defined as a WHO (God) with both a Divine and a Human nature, at least as far as Oneness authors like David Bernard go

I'm not sure I agree with Mr Bernard. I think, I'm not sure, but I THINK that the Son was just a body that after it was GLORIFIED, became the final Tabernacle.

Do You believe that ANYONE has a perfect understanding of the Godhead?
Do You believe that a perfect understanding of the Godhead is salvific? (Is 'Salvific" even a real word?)

Lots of questions.
Lord help this old girl!,

Nina

Praxeas · #89 03-23-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nina

Do You believe that ANYONE has a perfect understanding of the Godhead?
Do You believe that a perfect understanding of the Godhead is salvific? (Is 'Salvific" even a real word?)

Lots of questions.
Lord help this old girl!,

Nina

I believe it's possible someone has an accurate understanding of what the bible teaches concerning who and what the Son is.

No I don't believe a perfect, in absolute terms, understanding is necessary for salvation.

However I do believe an imperfect and flawed understanding COULD, not will but COULD affect a persons salvation in a negative way

Nina · #90 03-24-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

However I do believe an imperfect and flawed understanding COULD, not will but COULD affect a persons salvation in a negative way

Brother

Can a person have eternal life if they believe that Jesus was not God but instead, simply filled with God's spirit?

If not, why not?

Thanks,
Nina