He Was More than Just a Man

[Nina]

Originally Posted by tbpew

Nina,
I am done for now with the serial questions after I make this reply.

I appreciate all Your thoughts.
I think I need to explain myself .
I have a 9th grade education so I probably shouldn't be allowed to operate this computer.
I'm trying to help a girl out of a cult.
She believes that Jesus is not God but her Savior, nonetheless.
Her leader teaches her that she must be perfect.
These two beliefs seem to go hand in hand, hence the questions to You.
What You and some others here believe about Jesus is an eye opener to me.
I didn't know that this belief was in the oneness ranks.

I have more (serial?) questions, but I'm afraid to ask them.
I'd like to know if You baptize in Jesus' name.
And do You attend a UPChurch that also believes as You do.
But these are only a curiosity at this point as they would be no help to the girl.




Isaiah 9:6 reveals to us what this child's (the son being given) name shall be called.
The son testified that he has come in the name of (the authority) of the one who has sent him. The visible Son is a vessel in which the invisible God is MANIFESTED within creation. The visible Son is the manifestation of
'God with us" by God's purposed indwelling of the new, perfect tabernacle, which is a body.
The Son is the express image of the invisible God. The Son is really a Son and really has a Father.

This discussion is not about looking in one place for God and another place for his Son. Afterall, scripture reveals that the Father is with the Son and the Son is with the Father. Also, when you have seen the Son of God, you have seen all the parts of the Father that can be seen.

IMO, this thread is about whether or not God really has a Son or if its just philosophical mumbo-jumbo and abuse of the usage that applies to the words FATHER and SON.

Repeating.....
Father's do not become their own sons.
Sons proceed forth and come from their fathers.
The seed of a father begets the new life that is his child.
.......

I provided two scriptural settings in my last post responding to Prax's LATENT assertion.

If you could please let me know how you reconcile your view of a 'Godman' Son who testifies having a God. I have made reasonable efforts to share my understanding with you, please return the courtesy and provide your understanding concerning these two scriptural witnesses.

I've always believed this was part of the 'mystery of Godliness

"Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name."

One more question:


Unless You believe that I am He...

Why do You believe the unbeliever of this Scripture will die in his sins?

Blessings,
Nina

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Nina

One more question:


Unless You believe that I am He...

Why do You believe the unbeliever of this Scripture will die in his sins?

Blessings,
Nina

Hi Nina, I'm not tbpew and cannot speak to everything that he can... but I think I follow his line of reasoning on this.

To answer this question (Unless You believe that I am He...) we should ask, "He Who?" I know the word "he" is italicized in the KJV and all, but still the grammar implies a pronoun, and even if it didn't we're still left to ask ourselves, "Who is the guy from Galilee saying that we have to believe that he is somebody or at least some thing?" "What is he?"

The context:

Joh 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
Joh 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Joh 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
Joh 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Joh 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

Who was "he"? He was the One Who was sent by the Father. That's all this passage is trying to tell us regarding the identity of this man from Galilee. He was sent by "the Father." That's Who He was.

The "unbeliever" will die in their sins because of verse 21. "Wither I go, ye cannot come."

[Nina]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Hi Nina, I'm not tbpew and cannot speak to everything that he can... but I think I follow his line of reasoning on this.

To answer this question (Unless You believe that I am He...) we should ask, "He Who?" I know the word "he" is italicized in the KJV and all, but still the grammar implies a pronoun, and even if it didn't we're still left to ask ourselves, "Who is the guy from Galilee saying that we have to believe that he is somebody or at least some thing?" "What is he?"

The context:

Joh 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
Joh 8:22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Joh 8:25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.
Joh 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
Joh 8:27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

Who was "he"? He was the One Who was sent by the Father. That's all this passage is trying to tell us regarding the identity of this man from Galilee. He was sent by "the Father." That's Who He was.

The "unbeliever" will die in their sins because of verse 21. "Wither I go, ye cannot come."

I've always believed that the ' He' we must believe that He is, is the Father.
I've always believed that Jesus IS the name of the Father.

I've always believed a lot of things that I now doubt.

Now I just want to know what the essentials of Christianity are.
In other words, what must I do to be saved.

Nina