The Word Shekinah ?

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by pelathais

FWIW: The word "rapture" is in the Bible as every good Catholic apologist will be more than happy to point out to you in 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

And for TJJJ and Scott - the word "shekinah" is NOT "cloud" neither is it "glory" in Exodus 24:16 and Exodus 40:35. It is the Hebrew word that is translated as "abode" in both verses. The word is used as both a noun and a verb.

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ShakanTWOT - 2387Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechshaw-kan' Verb Definition

1. to settle down, abide, dwell, tabernacle, reside
   1. (Qal)
      1. to settle down to abide
      2. to abide, dwell, reside
   2. (Piel)
      1. to make settle down, establish
      2. to make or cause to dwell
   3. (Hiphil)
      1. to lay, place, set, establish, settle, fix
      2. to cause to dwell or abide

King James Word Usage - Total: 129dwell 92, abide 8, place 7, remain 5, inhabit 4, rest 3, set 2, continue 1, dwellers 1, dwelling 1, miscellaneous 5

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The word "shekinah" appears a total of 129 times in the Bible.

I believe Rhoni needs to free up some time on her calendar for a date with a couple of gentlemen who will buy her dinner.

That's not the word shekinah. That's shakan. Shakeniah is used as a proper name 10 times. It means "intimate with Jehovah". Shekinah is strictly a Talmudic word meaning "presence of God". Shekinah itself is not in the Hebrew OT. The concept, of course, is.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

That's not the word shekinah. That's shakan. Shakeniah is used as a proper name 10 times. It means "intimate with Jehovah". Shekinah is strictly a Talmudic word meaning "presence of God". Shekinah itself is not in the Hebrew OT. The concept, of course, is.

See my earlier post on Hebrew stem words.

Oh! You did.

Yes, it all depends on how precise you want to be. Some folks take the "intimate with Jehovah" idea and reach bizarre conclusions. That may be inevitable give: 1) The fallen nature of man... and 2) The idea that is conveyed by the stem word meaning to "abide with..."

It seems to almost have a similar meaning as the modern English phrase, "To live with..." When a man says he "lives with..." a woman there is cohabitation being expressed and intimacy is implied.

Such a meaning is not intended when someone says, "God dwells in my home..." Or the words of Jesus in John 14:2-3, for that matter. The fact that some folks have taken their fundamentalism to extremes shouldn't cause us to shy away from exploring the many facets of the original language, IMHO.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The fact that some folks have taken their fundamentalism to extremes

Could you explain this a little more?

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by pelathais

See my earlier post on Hebrew stem words.

Oh! You did.

Yes, it all depends on how precise you want to be. Some folks take the "intimate with Jehovah" idea and reach bizarre conclusions. That may be inevitable give: 1) The fallen nature of man... and 2) The idea that is conveyed by the stem word meaning to "abide with..."

It seems to almost have a similar meaning as the modern English phrase, "To live with..." When a man says he "lives with..." a woman there is cohabitation being expressed and intimacy is implied.

Such a meaning is not intended when someone says, "God dwells in my home..." Or the words of Jesus in John 14:2-3, for that matter. The fact that some folks have taken their fundamentalism to extremes shouldn't cause us to shy away from exploring the many facets of the original language, IMHO.

I completely agree with you. I think some of the difficulty has to do with the culture we live in. Intimacy equals that between a man and a woman. To look beyond that and realize that intimacy with God is *beyond* that, more intimate, more precious, more amazing, takes a shift in thinking.

And after studying Hebrew, it's difficult for me to even explain it in English. lol It's just so obvious in Hebrew...it's the same problem I have translating verses, but shema is shema what do you mean make it English? lol