Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 04-01-2009, 01:42 PM
MissBrattified's Avatar
MissBrattified MissBrattified is offline
Administrator


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,829
Re: Costume dispute!!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On View Post
Was Lazarus a Pharisee? I didn't check. I was just thinking if the story is in two Gospels, it could be speaking of the same event. Some Gospels bear out a little more information than others even though speaking of the same event.
Hmmm...I don't know. The first was at Capernaum, and the second at Bethany. They appear to be two different events. (To me)

The only confusing point is that John refers to Mary, sister of Lazarus as "that Mary" which anointed Jesus' feet BEFORE he accounts Lazarus' death, and the subsequent account of Mary anointing Jesus' feet at the house in Bethany.

I wonder if Mary anointed His feet twice? At the Pharisee's house in Capernaum, and again after Lazarus was raised from the dead?

I'm going to have to do some more reading now. This is starting to get interesting!

I don't think any of the scriptures ever say that Mary, sister of Lazarus was "Mary called Magdalene", or that "Mary called Magdalene" anointed Jesus' feet. Maybe that's just a common assumption?
__________________
"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone


"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."

--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-01-2009, 01:45 PM
Pressing-On's Avatar
Pressing-On Pressing-On is offline
Not riding the train


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 48,544
Re: Costume dispute!!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified View Post
Right, but at the first event He was in Capernaum, and the second in Bethany. You have to remember that anointing feet was a common practice--it was the sinner woman touching Jesus' feet in the first story and the expensive spikenard in the second that made the stories notable.
Thanks, I didn't check on the differing locations. Yes, I knew it was common practice. Okay, so we possibly cannot identify the "sinner" woman.

I may have been thinking I was looking for Mary Madelene when I was simply remembering that I had, in the past, identified that Mary, Martha's sister, was the same who anointed Jesus' feet.

Case solved! LOL!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-01-2009, 01:53 PM
MissBrattified's Avatar
MissBrattified MissBrattified is offline
Administrator


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,829
Re: Costume dispute!!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On View Post
Thanks, I didn't check on the differing locations. Yes, I knew it was common practice. Okay, so we possibly cannot identify the "sinner" woman.

I may have been thinking I was looking for Mary Madelene when I was simply remembering that I had, in the past, identified that Mary, Martha's sister, was the same who anointed Jesus' feet.

Case solved! LOL!
Not for me! My eyes are still crossed!
__________________
"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone


"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."

--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-01-2009, 01:59 PM
Pressing-On's Avatar
Pressing-On Pressing-On is offline
Not riding the train


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 48,544
Re: Costume dispute!!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Falla39 View Post
John 12:1-8.

I'm not sure about Lazarus being a Pharisee. The Jews knew
Jesus loved Lazarus much and they consulted to put Lazarus to death also.
Somewhere I read that Lazarus was rich and was an insider in the
temple, perhaps part of the Sanheidrun. They may have considered
him as a traitor. Kinda like Nicodemus, came to Jesus BY NIGHT, under the
shade of darkness. He knew that no one could do the miracles except God
be with him. Jesus did the miracles that they might believe he was who he
said he was. (I like to dig out nuggets). He hid the truth from the wise and
prudent and revealed them unto babes. Come on, Babes, let's dig!)
I'll look a little closer later, Sister Falla.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified View Post
Not for me! My eyes are still crossed!
LOL! Right, well, something is still bothering me and I don't have time to check right now. Our son is coming over for dinner and I have my sewing machine and material all over the kitchen table. I need to get off of here and get some things finished and clear it all out.

Thanks for the scriptures. That's less leg work for me.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-01-2009, 04:28 PM
Pressing-On's Avatar
Pressing-On Pressing-On is offline
Not riding the train


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 48,544
Re: Costume dispute!!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by MissBrattified View Post
Hmmm...I don't know. The first was at Capernaum, and the second at Bethany. They appear to be two different events. (To me)

The only confusing point is that John refers to Mary, sister of Lazarus as "that Mary" which anointed Jesus' feet BEFORE he accounts Lazarus' death, and the subsequent account of Mary anointing Jesus' feet at the house in Bethany.

I wonder if Mary anointed His feet twice? At the Pharisee's house in Capernaum, and again after Lazarus was raised from the dead?

I'm going to have to do some more reading now. This is starting to get interesting!

I don't think any of the scriptures ever say that Mary, sister of Lazarus was "Mary called Magdalene", or that "Mary called Magdalene" anointed Jesus' feet. Maybe that's just a common assumption?
A few points I ran across:

Mary of Magdala, one of the most prominent of the Galilean women who followed Jesus.

Magdala, was an important agricultural, fishing, fish-curing, shipbuilding and trading center, a city of considerable wealth.

We do not know when or where Jesus met Mary of Magdala. It is not said that he visited the city, though its environs are mentioned (Mark 6:53; Matt. 13:34)

Neither do we understand Mary's condition when she first met Jesus. It is said that seven demons had gone out of her. Since demon possession was at that time associated with both physical and moral-spiritual sickness, Luke's statement does not offer us much help. The reference to "seven demons" probably emphasizes either the seriousness of her condition (Luke 8:30) or the recurrent nature of it (Luke 11:26).

The is no solid reason for assuming that Mary had been a harlot and therefore is to be identified with the sinful women of Luke 7:36-50. Luke surely did not intend this identification, as he introduces Mary Magdelene in a formal way in 8:2, with no suggestion that she has been presented in 7:36-50. It is furthermore, doubtful whether Joanna, the wife of Herod's steward, would have traveled around Galilee (Luke 8:1-3) with a notorious courtesan.

Neither is Mary Magdalene to be identified with Mary of Bethany (John 11:1-12:8; Luke 10:38-42). The former was a Galilean (Mark 15:40-41; Luke 8:1-3); the latter, with Mary and Lazarus, lived in Judea, in the village of Bethany, just east of Jerusalem (John 11:1; on Luke's location of their residence).

There is no suggestion in the narratives about Mary of Bethany that she had been delivered from a serious physical or moral illness. The aggressive role of Mary Magdelene in the distaff side of the gospel story contrasts sharply with the contemplative bent of Mary of Bethany (John 11; Luke 10:38-42).

The identification of Mary Magdalene, the sinner of Luke 7:36-50, and Mary of Bethany, widely accepted in the Western church from about the sixth century (but rejected in the Eastern), probably arose because of the similarities in the stories of the anointing of Jesus by women contained in Luke 7:36-50; John 12:1-8, and the unfounded supposition that Mary Magdalene's "seven demons" were demons of unchastity. The unsavory reputation of Magdala may have helped blacken her character.

Mary Magdalene's devotion to Jesus and his cause is clearly underscored by her practical service. She participated in his itinerating mission in Galilee and contributed financially to the venture (Luke 8:1-3; Mark 15:40-41). She was present at the Crucifixion (Mark 16:1; Luke 23:55-24:1), reported the fact of the empty tomb and the message of the angels to the Eleven (Luke 24:1-11), and was the recipient of a personal appearance by Jesus after the resurrection (John 20:11-18).

The Interpreters Dictionary of The Bible, (pages 288-289).
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-01-2009, 04:52 PM
Pressing-On's Avatar
Pressing-On Pressing-On is offline
Not riding the train


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 48,544
Re: Costume dispute!!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On View Post

Neither do we understand Mary's condition when she first met Jesus. It is said that seven demons had gone out of her. Since demon possession was at that time associated with both physical and moral-spiritual sickness, Luke's statement does not offer us much help. The reference to "seven demons" probably emphasizes either the seriousness of her condition (Luke 8:30) or the recurrent nature of it (Luke 11:26).
I believe that the possession is the same today (both physical and moral-spiritual sickness) as back then, so I differ with the writer's view.

Quote:
The is no solid reason for assuming that Mary had been a harlot and therefore is to be identified with the sinful women of Luke 7:36-50. Luke surely did not intend this identification, as he introduces Mary Magdelene in a formal way in 8:2, with no suggestion that she has been presented in 7:36-50. It is furthermore, doubtful whether Joanna, the wife of Herod's steward, would have traveled around Galilee (Luke 8:1-3) with a notorious courtesan.

The Interpreters Dictionary of The Bible, (pages 288-289).
Here, the writer is assuming he knows the history of Joanna, the wife of Herod's steward and/or the delivering power of the Gospel. Perhaps Joanna saw the magnificent change or believed the story of Mary Magdelene's deliverance and befriended her. Perhaps Joanna suffered some malady/sin herself and could very well have befriended Mary Magdelene for that very reason. There is room for this view in the NT Church!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Salome
- by Salome

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.