Harrassed & Detained For Carrying Cash @ Airport

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by coadie

nO THANK YOU. I don't care for the spyware that comes with it.

Dude you are cracked. What spyware?

I'm running a port analyzer and can see every connection - there's no spyware in IE Spell Checker.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Paranoia. You see...this guy is only looking for attention he knows what he was doing. You have no idea how much stress is on airport security to protect passengers. This guy's a jerk. Sorry, I've seen the job that airport security has to do, I'm on their side bro. It's a shame it isn't a crime to harass airport security.

Unfortunately (or fortunately as the case may be) it's not a crime to be a jerk. I don't think this guy even went that far, but he could have been more helpful and been on his way a little more quickly.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

He wasn't the only one playing games, if that's what he did. The officers who detained him should have been at LEAST smart enough to advise him of his rights. Surely they knew whether or not he HAD to answer the questions? LOL!!!!

When he asked if he was required by law to answer the questions asked of him they stated that they were simply asking him some simple questions to clarify matters. Please also note...this recording picks up in the back room. It doesn't pick up at the actual checkpoint. If you listen, you'll hear the agent from the check point explaining that this was the same thing the guy was doing at the check point when he was trying to get the guy to his plane on time. This snotty little activist began playing his games at the check point. The agent isn't permitted to allow anyone through who behaves suspiciously or is uncooperative. I'd not doubt that the those in line behind this guy became disturbed at his behavior also. This agent obviously called for his higher ups and law enforcement to take the guy aside to get some answers. The recording picks up in this room where the guy is being asked questions and still refusing to cooperate. Bro...that's real suspicious behavior. I don't fault them at all.

On a side note... I wouldn't be surprised if the guy was paid to do this for conservative media attention. Frankly... I pray that America realizes what kind of crack pot this guy is. Because there are enemies watching this trying to see what limits they can push to get money through the system. This guy is only making an idiot of himself... and if taken seriously enough could weaken our national security. This isn't a joke.

They detained him FIRST, then he asked if he HAD to answer questions, and said he would answer, if they said he had to by law. That isn't entirely uncooperative, although I think I would have just said what I needed to in order to get out of there!

Listen to it again. The agent at the check point clearly states that these were the games the man was playing in line at the check point while the agent was trying to get the man through to his flight. The man was detained for being uncooperative at an airline security checkpoint.

The security "official" should be irate with his employees for detaining someone for carrying $4700.00 (or so), when they could have been searching luggage for REAL threats.

It should be a crime to play these kinds of games with airport security because it takes them away from policing REAL threats.

Had it been you or me, we would have answered all his questions while at the check point and gotten on our plane.

I'm amazed, too, that $4700.00 is being deemed a large amount of cash. It really isn't.

It is unusual to carry that much cash, especially when traveling. But I'm realizing that most here don't get that either. The real reason why the guy was detained was because he was uncooperative with airport security and law enforcement. Had he not played games at the check point he would have only been shortly delayed and could have caught his flight. Had he begun answering questions in the room where he was taken he would have been released and perhaps caught his flight. The man was pushing the buttons of these law enforcement officials. They simply asked some common sense questions. What I find interesting is that he wasn't willing to cooperate with airport authorities who are trying to protect him...but he's more than willing to blab about where he got the money etc. on national television. The man's a creep. Oh...and then there's the fact that this is great publicity for Ron Paul's book. I wouldn't be surprised if he was paid this money to do this very thing and is lying about it being money from sales at a conference. This guy's an idiot.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

and what I am saying is that carrying cash in any manner, in ones pocket, in a money belt, in a box or strapped to your head is NOT suspect in any way shape or form.

Yes some people with ill intent will carry cash. That is absolutly true, but when we abdicate our right as law abiding citizens, we open the door of abuse to the government.

beyond that TSA's job is to keep airline passengers safe. It is not to keep potential bad guys from flying.

Ferd, I see it differently. This guy wouldn't cooperate at the checkpoint, he was taken to a room so that agents could discuss this with him privately and he still wouldn't cooperate. If it were you or me, we'd have cooperated at the check point and been on our way. This guy's a crack pot...and his behavior only underscores how stupid the conservative movement is becoming. It's loosing all common sense.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Aquila

When he asked if he was required by law to answer the questions asked of him they stated that they were simply asking him some simple questions to clarify matters. Please also note...this recording picks up in the back room. It doesn't pick up at the actual checkpoint. If you listen, you'll hear the agent from the check point explaining that this was the same thing the guy was doing at the check point when he was trying to get the guy to his plane on time. This snotty little activist began playing his games at the check point. The agent isn't permitted to allow anyone through who behaves suspiciously or is uncooperative. I'd not doubt that the those in line behind this guy became disturbed at his behavior also. This agent obviously called for his higher ups and law enforcement to take the guy aside to get some answers. The recording picks up in this room where the guy is being asked questions and still refusing to cooperate. Bro...that's real suspicious behavior. I don't fault them at all.

On a side note... I wouldn't be surprised if the guy was paid to do this for conservative media attention. Frankly... I pray that America realizes what kind of crack pot this guy is. Because there are enemies watching this trying to see what limits they can push to get money through the system. This guy is only making an idiot of himself... and if taken seriously enough could weaken our national security. This isn't a joke.

You're as paranoid as coadie. How do you guys make it through the day?

Aquila, let me know what airport you're going to be at - I can't wait to be a feature in the "Right Wing Press Machine" gala.

Originally Posted by Aquila

It should be a crime to play these kinds of games with airport security because it takes them away from policing REAL threats.

Define "Playing games" in a precise legal fashion that would hold up to a court challenge.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Had it been you or me, we would have answered all his questions while at the check point and gotten on our plane.

Had it been you AND me we'd have had trouble coming you with $40.00 cash between us let alone over $4,000!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Let's say that the military nabs a muslim photo journalist on the wrong day and tortures him to get information he doesn't actually have...will you defend them in the same manner?

As a policy we don't torture. This has no similarity. The man was being evasive and refusing to cooperate at the check point and in the private room. And he was obviously held until his background was cleared. (Remember, they had taken is driver's license. Procedure is to order a check immediately.)

I still don't see how cash is a problem. And there IS NO LAW against carrying cash, at least not that I'm aware of. If one is passed, I suppose we'll have to deal with it, but for the moment, it is LEGAL to carry cash.

The cash merely got their attention. His evasiveness and uncooperative behavior is what was most suspicious. Had it been you or me, we'd have cooperated at the check point and been on our way.

It is ludicrous to defend security guards for questioning people on the assumption that they could have 20 other friends passing through the airport with the same amount of cash, as part of an arms deal. Unless they have reason to suspect such activity, they have no reason to question someone because of it. If they had REASON, I think it would have been made public fairly quickly in their defense.

Not if it would interfere with tracking individuals. But that's a different story. The issue is that this guy is a conservative activist who purposely refused to cooperate with security officials at an airport and distracted them from their job of protecting the American people so that he could get is 15 minutes of fame on a conservative news program. He'll probably write a book about liberty and make money off of this or run for some political office. It's a big game and I'm beside myself because most of you can't see it.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Paranoia. You see...this guy is only looking for attention he knows what he was doing. You have no idea how much stress is on airport security to protect passengers. This guy's a jerk. Sorry, I've seen the job that airport security has to do, I'm on their side bro. It's a shame it isn't a crime to harass airport security.

It is a shame they are too stupid in the tape to understand they work for the people. I listened to them. No, they are not only wrong, but they are threatening arrests to cover themselves.


It should be a crime for their bad and illegal behavior.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

God says it is against the law if you are tried or found guilty or not.

Goadie, I didn't commit a "crime". I simply had a pocket knife on me when going for my local background checks and was asked to take it out to my car because they couldn't permit me to carry into the police department administration area. It wasn't a crime, no law was broken. It's just a safety policy.

These are secret sins. You are trying to cover and justify yourself.

This is getting stupid Coadie. Get real.

I fly a lot. We are seeing a rush of immature helpers that are trying to get into airport security and other jobs where you don't have to work.

we see "door jerkers" at grocery stores and gas stations. it really pumps them up to have an old recycled police car with a spot light and a flashing light bar on top.

Coadie, my new position will not be as an agent on the checkpoints. I'm administrative. I'll be in a back office where contractors and employees turn in applications for security access to SIDA (Security Identification Display Areas) such as baggage, freight, storage, the gates, and the tarmac. I give them an application and I take their fingerprints. I then perform a background check against the FBI and TSA databases (I believe TSA interfaces with a number of national security and law enforcement databases, 9, if my memory serves me right). If they are not disqualified by one or more of the 28 criteria listed as disqualifying by TSA I issue them access and give them a security badge. If they meet any of those criteria I deny them access. If they are illegal, have a warrant for their arrest, or are listed as terrorists I have to report them and give the information they gave me to the proper authorities. I also have to run monthly reports to the local Department of Aviation and TSA. Not to mention I'll be tasked with running security audits to know where contractors and employees are in the airport to track accessed areas and behavior. I'll be working from my office directly under the chief of airport police. So, I'll not be a rental cop or even a checkpoint agent. My military experience and clearances helped me out.

What do you do for a living Coadie?

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

As a policy we don't torture. This has no similarity. The man was being evasive and refusing to cooperate at the check point and in the private room. And he was obviously held until his background was cleared. (Remember, they had taken is driver's license. Procedure is to order a check immediately.)


The cash merely got their attention. His evasiveness and uncooperative behavior is what was most suspicious. Had it been you or me, we'd have cooperated at the check point and been on our way.



Not if it would interfere with tracking individuals. But that's a different story. The issue is that this guy is a conservative activist who purposely refused to cooperate with security officials at an airport and distracted them from their job of protecting the American people so that he could get is 15 minutes of fame on a conservative news program. He'll probably write a book about liberty and make money off of this or run for some political office. It's a big game and I'm beside myself because most of you can't see it.

Where do you get this "We" stuff? He is not an activist. He is just about 10 steps smarter than the government drones who are the activists.
They are not used to people that know their rights.

Remember they do not have to have a High school diploma. It is preferrred.
He is cooperating. He id allowing them to search. He also knows they are being jerks and asking questions that is not part of their job.

These punks in St. louis don't seem to know they are not customs officers.
The man being interrogated knows they aren't.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by crakjak

The guy was irresponsible, carrying that much cash was asking to lose it. Matter of fact, it was so irresponsible that it became suspicious, however as was evidenced when the police officer showed up and let him go, he had not done anything illegal.

I agree. I think it was mentioned earlier, but I think his background check came back clear of criminal activity.