Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ron

Did either of the ammendment prohibit something that was previously allowed?
No.

The 12th clarified & the 13th bared a practiced in which the Constitution previously did not state except to further state that "all men are free!"

The 12th completely changed the way we elect presidents, it didn't clarify. And the 13th took property that was recognized in the Constitution without just compensation.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

The 12th completely changed the way we elect presidents, it didn't clarify. And the 13th took property that was recognized in the Constitution without just compensation.

Property?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

People are not property!

[Praxeas]

BTW isn't one of the reasons we fought for Independence was over taxes. Taxation without representation...now we have representation and they are taxing the mess out of us

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW isn't one of the reasons we fought for Independence was over taxes. Taxation without representation...now we have representation and they are taxing the mess out of us

Prax, one of the facts in the film says that out of all the personal income taxes collected in America (over 900 Billion) all of it goes to pay the debt!

[Digging4Truth]

This 2 part clip is quite moving.

America at it's best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_sZj8dZnJI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hRwkyqycgU

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

This 2 part clip is quite moving.

America at it's best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_sZj8dZnJI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hRwkyqycgU

Good video D4T & I agree it was it the best of America.
Imagine those jurors finding that man "not guilty" of not filing an income tax return because when they asked the Judge to show him the law so they can see that he broke it by not filing.

They can't show it because it isn't there!

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Ron

Good video D4T & I agree it was it the best of America.
Imagine those jurors finding that man "not guilty" of not filing an income tax return because when they asked the Judge to show him the law so they can see that he broke it by not filing.

They can't show it because it isn't there!

internet evidence isnt evidence.

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Ferd

internet evidence isnt evidence.

Unless it is "fact!"

Then it is.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Ferd

internet evidence isnt evidence.

The videos were not submitted as evidence.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Ron

Property?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

People are not property!

Regardless of what the Declaration said (A non controlling document of ideas a press release of sorts) the Constitution said otherwise. Section 2 of Article IV persons "held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another," meaning fugitive slaves, were to be returned to their owners.

Slaves must be returned to their owners. Property according to the Constitution. Doesn't matter how much you scream people are not property the Constitution said they were the 13th took that "property" away and the owners were given no compensation. was the 13th correct? In my view it was. but your argument about the 16th not being constitutional also kills the 12th and 13th.