Can the church be liable in a lawsuit over this? We try not to baptize anyone under 18 without their parents' consent (verbal, at least). I can just see some angry parent trying to sue a church over something like this.
Can the church be liable in a lawsuit over this? We try not to baptize anyone under 18 without their parents' consent (verbal, at least). I can just see some angry parent trying to sue a church over something like this.
I thought of that, too, Sherri, but I think the "obey God rather than man" clause applies there, too. I fear I'm sounding overly radical here, but were the apostles afraid of what the government had to say? In regard to evangelism, baptism, etc.?
As I mentioned above, would you say the same if his parents were forbidding him to pray? If they sued the church for brainwashing their child into thinking he needed to talk to an invisible deity?
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Can the church be liable in a lawsuit over this? We try not to baptize anyone under 18 without their parents' consent (verbal, at least). I can just see some angry parent trying to sue a church over something like this.
Interesting point.
I would think not, but in todays world someone might just pull it off.
Yet, can I sue the government school for brainwashing my child about evolution ? We don't have much freedom in the way of education, but they say we do have freedom of religion. Does that freedom extend to those underage ?
The same activist parents today who would sue the church for brainwashing a child under their roof without their consent first would tell you that your child under your roof should be given the freedom without your consent to live a homosexual lifestyle if they wish.
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Can the church be liable in a lawsuit over this? We try not to baptize anyone under 18 without their parents' consent (verbal, at least). I can just see some angry parent trying to sue a church over something like this.
Actually, I don't think they can. In fact, parents don't have a right to even force their kids to attend church, and if their child wanted to attend a different church and it came up before the court, the parents would most likely lose.
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As far as the church being sued...what is the biblical requirement for someone to be the baptizer? What if a friend in that church, baptized and filled already with the Spirit, baptized him? They do it somewhere where there is a pool or at the ocean...nobody else around? The church is not liable...can they sue some 16 year old kid for baptizing his friend?
And that is assuming the parents find out
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As far as the church being sued...what is the biblical requirement for someone to be the baptizer? What if a friend in that church, baptized and filled already with the Spirit, baptized him? They do it somewhere where there is a pool or at the ocean...nobody else around? The church is not liable...can they sue some 16 year old kid for baptizing his friend?
And that is assuming the parents find out
IF the church did it, YOU COULD LAY MONEY ON THEM FINDING OUT. That is the sad thing. I would love to know if these parents who don't want their child getting baptized would be as upset if they smoked weed or got drunk or even got a tattoo.
I went to church with a girl who had trouble with her parents. They did not want her getting baptized, though after the pastor talked to them they consented. Yet when they would get mad at her for something they would ground her from going to church. They never grounded her from going to school functions, or other extra curricular activities but always from church functions. Once she left the church and started doing the things they all did, get drunk, sleep around, etc etc she no longer had trouble with them. Makes no sense to me.
I'm part of the Home and Hospital Visitation Team for a local Vineyard Church. Even though I do not go there any more I still help with their visitation.
A few years ago I went for a home visit to the parents of a woman who goes to the Vineyard. I had been to the hospital to pray for the mother when she had knee surgery. This trip was to the home to pray for the father who had fallen from a ladder. They are Roman Catholic and were unhappy that their adult daughter had "been baptized at the Vineyard and joined that Church." they had her "baptized" as a baby. Now this was an adult daughter who was not even living at home. I explained to them that the Vineyard does not have a formal membership. Anyone who goes there and considers themselves a "member" is a member. I explained to them that what their daughter did was not a rejection of what they had done when she was a baby. They had her baptized as a baby and made vows to raise her in the church. I told them they must have done a pretty good job of raising her as a Christian because she later chose to be baptized on her own. I told them what they did for her was fine but she just wanted to be baptized as an adult to publicly declare her own personal decision to give her life to the Lord. They seemed pretty good with my explanation.
I was raised by an athiest later agnostic father and a non-practicing Roman Catholic mother (Irish-Italian)....they never talked religion and never took me to church. One day my parents decided they would send me to a private baptist school...he was convinced by a colleague at work I would get a better education.
My dad was VERY VERY upset when I came home from a school retreat and announced I had accepted Jesus as my savior. I thought my dad would be happy lol
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There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
IF the church did it, YOU COULD LAY MONEY ON THEM FINDING OUT. That is the sad thing. I would love to know if these parents who don't want their child getting baptized would be as upset if they smoked weed or got drunk or even got a tattoo.
When my FIL found out Jeff had been baptized in Jesus' name, he said he'd rather Jeff was a Catholic or Mormon (or JW). (Which is the height of heathenism to my FIL)
I've definitely known some parents who would prefer to see their children drinking and partying than attending church--of any sort. That is sad.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
When my FIL found out Jeff had been baptized in Jesus' name, he said he'd rather Jeff was a Catholic or Mormon (or JW). (Which is the height of heathenism to my FIL)
I've definitely known some parents who would prefer to see their children drinking and partying than attending church--of any sort. That is sad.
A woman once told me about how her children were wild and into drugs as teens, but what upset her the most is that they were both saved in a UPC church, married girls in the church, had children, and WOULDN'T CUT THEIR LITTLE GIRLS HAIR!!!
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