TRFrance: Micah 5:2

[Jermyn Davidson]

In reference to this thread here: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=23060&page=4


I submit the scripture Micah 5:2-- a scripture that points to the the pre-existence of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.


BTW,
Of COURSE I am still Oneness! I'm just a few days late on responding to this challenge.




Micah 5:2 (New International Version)

2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans [a] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins [b] are from of old,
from ancient times. [c] "

[Sam]

The Micah passage is considered to apply to Jesus, the Messiah and Son of God. But was He the Son of God before His incarnation? or was He the Word/Logos/Memra/Angel of the Lord?

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

In reference to this thread here: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...t=23060&page=4


I submit the scripture Micah 5:2-- a scripture that points to the the pre-existence of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.


BTW,
Of COURSE I am still Oneness! I'm just a few days late on responding to this challenge.




Micah 5:2 (New International Version)

2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans [a] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins [b] are from of old,
from ancient times. [c] "

does this mean that since our "origins" go back to Adam....that we pre-exsisted also?

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by edjen01

does this mean that since our "origins" go back to Adam....that we pre-exsisted also?

Absolutely!! The same way Jesus did and that was in the plan of God. God calls those things that are not as though they were. That is called prophetic proleptic.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sam

The Micah passage is considered to apply to Jesus, the Messiah and Son of God. But was He the Son of God before His incarnation? or was He the Word/Logos/Memra/Angel of the Lord?

I am not sure.

I only determined to prove the pre-existence of Jesus Christ in form of more than a "thought" of God.

This scripture gives me the impression that Jesus Christ existed before Bethlehem, in form of more than a thought.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by edjen01

does this mean that since our "origins" go back to Adam....that we pre-exsisted also?

I think you are twisting the meanings of orgins.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I think you are twisting the meanings of orgins.

ok....please share your definition.

Webster..."coming into existence or use, beginning, birth, root, cause, lineage, that in which something has its beginning, source"....and more words like this.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by edjen01

ok....please share your definition.

Webster..."coming into existence or use, beginning, birth, root, cause, lineage, that in which something has its beginning, source"....and more words like this.

The wording of this scripture implies a certain "everlastingness"-- a stretching into eternity.

"His origins are from of old, ancient times..."

Are "origins" are not of everlasting or eternal-- we have a definite beginning.
Jesus speaks of the "Glory He shared" with His Father, but doesn't speak of when, which means it's not too important when as much as the simple fact that He did.

The description "Ancient of Days" come to mind....

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The wording of this scripture implies a certain "everlastingness"-- a stretching into eternity.

"His origins are from of old, ancient times..."

Are "origins" are not of everlasting or eternal-- we have a definite beginning.
Jesus speaks of the "Glory He shared" with His Father, but doesn't speak of when, which means it's not too important when as much as the simple fact that He did.

The description "Ancient of Days" come to mind....

the word eternal means...without beginning or ending...so how can something be eternal and everlasting and yet have a literal origin? both cannot be true.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am not sure.

I only determined to prove the pre-existence of Jesus Christ in form of more than a "thought" of God.

This scripture gives me the impression that Jesus Christ existed before Bethlehem, in form of more than a thought.

how so? and what form?