Pentecostalism, Version 20.09

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Apostolics are those people who are now embarrassed to call themselves Pentecostal because "Pentecostal" isn't legalistic enough for them any more.

I mean, hey, EVERYBODY claims to be Pentecostal nowadays! And this global outpouring of the baptism of the Holy Ghost is not real revival because most of these 1 billion people plus who have spoken in tongues do not follow legalistic, 18th century standards.

Ed....is this definition made up? what theological dictionary or study does it come from?

Since the largest religious in the world are Hindu(various forms), Muslim(various forms), and Christian(various forms)....and only a small part of one of those religions is "tongue-talkers"....I would hardly say "EVERBODY" claims to be Pentecostal.

again...where do you get that 1 out-of-every 6 people on planet earth is a tongue-talker? since even every Christian is not a "tongue-talker" than Christianity must have somewhere between 2 & 3 billion followers...which means that the Hindu's, Muslims, Buddhist, and everyone else makes up the remaining 3-4 billion. the numbers don't add up.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by edjen01

Ed....is this definition made up? what theological dictionary or study does it come from?

Since the largest religious in the world are Hindu(various forms), Muslim(various forms), and Christian(various forms)....and only a small part of one of those religions is "tongue-talkers"....I would hardly say "EVERBODY" claims to be Pentecostal.

again...where do you get that 1 out-of-every 6 people on planet earth is a tongue-talker? since even every Christian is not a "tongue-talker" than Christianity must have somewhere between 2 & 3 billion followers...which means that the Hindu's, Muslims, Buddhist, and everyone else makes up the remaining 3-4 billion. the numbers don't add up.

I heard a statistic read the other day that there are 600 million confirmed "tongue talkers" in the world today.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

I heard a statistic read the other day that there are 600 million confirmed "tongue talkers" in the world today.

that still seems a little "evangelistical" to me....but i haven't seen any numbers concerning tongue-talkers. it is difficult for me to believe that there are 300 million U.S. citizens....and 600 million tongue-talkers.

but 600 million is still easier to believe than 1/6th of the worlds population.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by edjen01

that still seems a little "evangelistical" to me....but i haven't seen any numbers concerning tongue-talkers. it is difficult for me to believe that there are 300 million U.S. citizens....and 600 million tongue-talkers.

but 600 million is still easier to believe than 1/6th of the worlds population.

Probably part of your problem is comparing it to the USA population. Take China for instance. There is a BIG (even though small compared to 'their' overall population) group of Spirit-filled believers. The same in India.

When you hit these countries with massive populations the numbers grow rather quickly

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

Probably part of your problem is comparing it to the USA population. Take China for instance. There is a BIG (even though small compared to 'their' overall population) group of Spirit-filled believers. The same in India.

When you hit these countries with massive populations the numbers grow rather quickly

i only used the U.S. population to help show how big 1 billion really is.

Think of it this way....if China & Indias population were 15% tongue-talkers(and I believe that is high) and the entire population of the U.S. were tongue-takers....you still would not have 1 billion tongue-talkers.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by edjen01

that still seems a little "evangelistical" to me....but i haven't seen any numbers concerning tongue-talkers. it is difficult for me to believe that there are 300 million U.S. citizens....and 600 million tongue-talkers.

but 600 million is still easier to believe than 1/6th of the worlds population.

I have read estimates of those who consider themselves to be Charismatic/Pentecostal and the number is given as 500-600 million. Not all of these claim to have spoken in tongues. The figure is for those who believe in charismatic gifting for today and/or are affiliated with Charismatic/Pentecostal groups, organizations, fellowships, or denominations. I can't even remember where I've read that.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Sam

I have read estimates of those who consider themselves to be Charismatic/Pentecostal and the number is given as 500-600 million. Not all of these claim to have spoken in tongues. The figure is for those who believe in charismatic gifting for today and/or are affiliated with Charismatic/Pentecostal groups, organizations, fellowships, or denominations. I can't even remember where I've read that.

Mr Sam.

I read similar numbers in a recent magazine....that the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement was aprox 500-600 million. And you are correct that not all of these are tongue-talkers.

[EA]

Originally Posted by edjen01

Ed....is this definition made up? what theological dictionary or study does it come from?

Since the largest religious in the world are Hindu(various forms), Muslim(various forms), and Christian(various forms)....and only a small part of one of those religions is "tongue-talkers"....I would hardly say "EVERBODY" claims to be Pentecostal.

again...where do you get that 1 out-of-every 6 people on planet earth is a tongue-talker? since even every Christian is not a "tongue-talker" than Christianity must have somewhere between 2 & 3 billion followers...which means that the Hindu's, Muslims, Buddhist, and everyone else makes up the remaining 3-4 billion. the numbers don't add up.

First of all, I find it ironic that you go around the board and reply to every post I make, calling me by my first name, and speaking to me as if we know each other.

Second of all, yes, it is MY definition. I am entitled to it, as I have been a Pentecostal for 33 years, only to find out recently that I am now "Apostolic."

Also, use your fingers and google 'glossolalia statistics'.

The numbers aren't mine. They've been published extensively elsewhere.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

First of all, I find it ironic that you go around the board and reply to every post I make, calling me by my first name, and speaking to me as if we know each other.

Second of all, yes, it is MY definition. I am entitled to it, as I have been a Pentecostal for 33 years, only to find out recently that I am now "Apostolic."

Also, use your fingers and google 'glossolalia statistics'.

The numbers aren't mine. They've been published extensively elsewhere.

Mr Anglin.

I recently found your post to be very interesting...many of them happen to be on the exact same topic...and so I responded to them. I will try and refrain in the future.

I meant no disrespect by calling you "Ed"...i guess it would have been better to refer to you as "EA" or "Mr Anglin". I was not trying to insinuate that I knew you...and so will not call you that in the future.

I am not questioning your right to create and have your own definition of "Apostolic" or "Pentecostal". I was simply trying to find out if this definition was yours...or came from some other book/person/organization.

regarding your years in Pentecost...I say "God bless and God speed"...I pray you continue for another 33 years.

as for Google and glossolalia statistics...I've found that I have to be very careful when pulling numbers from the internet...just my experience.

[EA]

Originally Posted by edjen01

Mr Anglin.

I recently found your post to be very interesting...many of them happen to be on the exact same topic...and so I responded to them. I will try and refrain in the future.

I meant no disrespect by calling you "Ed"...i guess it would have been better to refer to you as "EA" or "Mr Anglin". I was not trying to insinuate that I knew you...and so will not call you that in the future.

I am not questioning your right to create and have your own definition of "Apostolic" or "Pentecostal". I was simply trying to find out if this definition was yours...or came from some other book/person/organization.

regarding your years in Pentecost...I say "God bless and God speed"...I pray you continue for another 33 years.

as for Google and glossolalia statistics...I've found that I have to be very careful when pulling numbers from the internet...just my experience.

That's better.