UPC Affiliated?

Moe · #1 05-14-2009, 10:22 PM

Actually the truth is, the UPCI has NO juristiction over ANY church business even though you are affiliated UNLESS they are INVITED in. Once they are invited in it can be difficult to reverse their rulings but Still the church board has more power than the District. (they don't like that known) Civily they cannot interfere with local church business. It should also be noted that it is the HQ stance. However, some Districts like to misuse their power in certain political moves. It can get very ugly! Most District officials and pastors do not understand this and it causes great conflict within the UPCI and those outside to scoff. Affiliation works if a pastor vacates without a predecessor. They are to step in and hold the church together until new pastor is elected. There are far more negetives than positives and have heard that HQ has considered in the past to do away with affiliation. If the UPCI gets sued as a whole and you are affiliated it could affect your local church solvency. Best way to avoid it? IMHO DO NOT AFFILIATE! I speak from experience.

Fiyahstarter · #2 05-14-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Moe

Actually the truth is, the UPCI has NO juristiction over ANY church business even though you are affiliated UNLESS they are INVITED in. Once they are invited in it can be difficult to reverse their rulings but Still the church board has more power than the District. (they don't like that known) Civily they cannot interfere with local church business. It should also be noted that it is the HQ stance. However, some Districts like to misuse their power in certain political moves. It can get very ugly! Most District officials and pastors do not understand this and it causes great conflict within the UPCI and those outside to scoff. Affiliation works if a pastor vacates without a predecessor. They are to step in and hold the church together until new pastor is elected. There are far more negetives than positives and have heard that HQ has considered in the past to do away with affiliation. If the UPCI gets sued as a whole and you are affiliated it could affect your local church solvency. Best way to avoid it? IMHO DO NOT AFFILIATE! I speak from experience.

What might be an example of a situation that would require "inviting them in?" thanks.

Moe · #3 05-14-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

What might be an example of a situation that would require "inviting them in?" thanks.

Should the pastor or the church board need assistance in 1. church trouble 2. Business meeting 3. Pastoral change, etc. they would call or write to their District official and ask for an official to come officiate or investigate. Should that offocial come in and give a ruling, they then expect the local church to abide by their "suggestion" (which is legally all it is). Should the church or pastor decide to go against the District and the District try to flex it's muscles and try to force it, the pastor/church can contest their interference and there may be a charge filed against the pastor. The District can NEVER file against the church, EVER!!! They will go after the pastor. This is where it can get interesting. You can hire in defense and contest their ruling (which the majority of all cases are lost at the appeal level) and you can also seek civil law assistance. The Judge usually rules with the local church board as the law only recognizes the church corporate status. they do not recognize the District Board.

Don't know if that answered your question or not. Don't have all the answers but do have experience. LOL

Fiyahstarter · #4 05-14-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Moe

Should the pastor or the church board need assistance in 1. church trouble 2. Business meeting 3. Pastoral change, etc. they would call or write to their District official and ask for an official to come officiate or investigate. Should that offocial come in and give a ruling, they then expect the local church to abide by their "suggestion" (which is legally all it is). Should the church or pastor decide to go against the District and the District try to flex it's muscles and try to force it, the pastor/church can contest their interference and there may be a charge filed against the pastor. The District can NEVER file against the church, EVER!!! They will go after the pastor. This is where it can get interesting. You can hire in defense and contest their ruling (which the majority of all cases are lost at the appeal level) and you can also seek civil law assistance. The Judge usually rules with the local church board as the law only recognizes the church corporate status. they do not recognize the District Board.

Don't know if that answered your question or not. Don't have all the answers but do have experience. LOL

Thanks for your answers! And prayers!