Do You People Have ANY Standards?

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Well, here's what I find.

A lot of you folks don't believe...

• alcohol is off limits yeah, that's why God told Israel(Deut 14:26) to sell their tithe and use the money from that sale to buy wine and other fermented or strong drink. We should should be very moderate in it's consumption or abstain..it's your choice.
  
• britches are to be worn by men only britches are no where mentinde in the word. breeches are spoken of and are actully linen undergarments worn by a preist under his robe so he nakedness not be seen when he ascended the altar steps. Deut 22:5 properly interpreted staes that a women shoud not wear that which pertaineth to a warrior/soldier (from the heb. gebor)
• a lady's hair should be long/uncut I'll agree it's good for woman to have longer hair than what men wear in a given culture...but uncut hair is not in 1 Cor 11
• a guy's hair should be cut short yeah, if ya bald
• in paying tithes ..best you can up with is that we all should give as we to our local assembly what we can, not of compulsion but from our heart. Titheing is NOT a NT mandate.
• you should attend church regularly Agreed, but nowhere does it tell us once or five times a week. Or what time of day.
• cussing is wrong
• moving pictures are evil What??? Not in and of themselves
• sports are immoral Paul made so many refersnces to sports/Olympics, like I run the race with patience. not once did he take the opportunity to condemn the sports he compared our walk with God with.

So, do you have ANY standards at all?

So standards it is that you are concerned with Ed?

My standard is this: Hear o Israel ...love the Lord yourGod with all your heart/mind /soul.

and love your neighbor as you love yourself.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Well, here's what I find.

A lot of you folks don't believe...

• alcohol is off limits
• britches are to be worn by men only
• a lady's hair should be long/uncut
• a guy's hair should be cut short
• in paying tithes
• you should attend church regularly
• cussing is wrong
• moving pictures are evil
• sports are immoral

So, do you have ANY standards at all?

I don't believe the standards I put in bold.
I do believe the standards I underlined.
The standard in italics is worth further consideration, based on cultural factors.

What, are you conservative or ultra-con?

Why does it bother you that some people here don't keep the same standards that you keep?

-Bro. Alex

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Ah, I see we have a couple of wiseacres.

Don't you guys read your Bible? Several of Christ's disciples were fishermen, and JESUS Himself, told 'em where to get the biggest load of fish.

Plus, Jesus pulled moolah from the widdle fishys mouth.

yes, but today we hold ourselves to a much higher standard.

Jewelry was no problem to people in the Bible but we have made it sin.

Tithing was only produce and animals and was done away with the rest of the Old Covenant but we now apply it to wages, services, goods, and gifts received.

Paul compared the Chistian life to sports but we do not do sports now.

Jesus was a glutton and a winebibber but we only do the glutton part now, the wine is a sin.

Jesus was a friend of sinners but now we verbally abuse them and withdraw from them for fear they'll contaminate us.

The early believers shared their goods and time with others but now we do not want to "support them in their sin" or "enable" them.

[Sam]

Jesus is my Standard.

I am holy because Jesus lives in me as the Holy Spirit. His presence in me sets me apart (sanctifies me unto God).
Jesus is my righteousness and my holiness and my sins are all remitted/forgiven as I confess them and therefore I stand righteous and holy in the sight of God.
I don't try to establish any pseudo self righteousness or holiness based on man-made rules.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I don't believe the standards I put in bold.
I do believe the standards I underlined.
The standard in italics is worth further consideration, based on cultural factors.

What, are you conservative or ultra-con?

Why does it bother you that some people here don't keep the same standards that you keep?

-Bro. Alex

Why does it bother you when people don't recycle?

[EA]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

I don't believe the standards I put in bold.
I do believe the standards I underlined.
The standard in italics is worth further consideration, based on cultural factors.

What, are you conservative or ultra-con?

Why does it bother you that some people here don't keep the same standards that you keep?

-Bro. Alex

Because I am a very caring individual.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Why does it bother you when people don't recycle?

Oh recycling, don't start me going on that one sister, you know I can preach it!

-Bro. Alex

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Well, here's what I find.

A lot of you folks don't believe...

• alcohol is off limits
• britches are to be worn by men only
• a lady's hair should be long/uncut
• a guy's hair should be cut short
• in paying tithes
• you should attend church regularly
• cussing is wrong
• moving pictures are evil
• sports are immoral

So, do you have ANY standards at all?

[*]alcohol is off limits
The Bible does not out and out condemn wine all the time-- neither will I. The Bible clearly condemns drunkeness.

[*]britches are to be worn by men only
The Bible commands separation. There are plenty of britches made explicitly for women.

[*]a lady's hair should be long/uncut
So does the Bible teaches that women's hair should be long or uncut? What is the context and background of this scripture? The Bible says women should be silent, but we have contextualized that doctrine away and now we have women twirling their hair over the prayer requests of sincere and deceived Holy Ghost filled people.

[*]a guy's hair should be cut short
I agree to the extent that when I look at a man or woman, their hairstyle should be so that you can tell what you are looking at-- that is the Biblical concept.

[*]in paying tithes
I believe in paying tithes and giving offerings.

[*]you should attend church regularly
I think most folks here believe in attending church regularly as this is Biblical.

[*]cussing is wrong
I have a conviction against cussing. Again I think most here do.

[*]moving pictures are evil
Some movies are evil / wicked. Others are not. I am happy in what I am and what I am not condemned over.

[*]sports are immoral
I disagree with this wholeheartedly. So would St. Paul.



I try to follow peace with all men.
I try to be honest and obey the laws of the land.
I try to show love and affection towards my family.
I try to care for the poor, needy, fatherless and elderly.
I try to make myself available to my local assembly for chores and prjects that need to be done around the building.
I try to pray for my brothers, sisters and lost people I know of.


Despite how hard I try, I already know that if I am saved, it will be by God's Grace. His Grace saved me, so, His Grace keeps me saved.

Any other outlook lends itself to legalism and a works-based salvation.

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Because I am a very caring individual.

Do you think you could be wrong about any of the standards you subscribe to?

I always leave open the possibility that I am wrong, and I feel it has done me good. There are some things that I highly doubt I am wrong about, ie. the oneness of GOD, Acts 2:38 salvation, ect... and then there are things that I would be more willing to hear an opposing argument, on such things as holiness standards, church polity, eschatology, ect... There was a time when I believed a sister without uncut hair and a second covering on her head was risking either hell-fire, or some sort of punishment from GOD, while still being saved, and the men allowing this disorder were just as worthy of a punishment from GOD. However, time went on, I studied it further, and I saw that uncut hair was not required and that the second covering was a cultural reference Paul was making. I wasted a lot of time and energy arguing, debating and worried about people's souls. Do you believe it is possible that you are wrong about ANY of your holiness standards? Do you believe any are worth further study. Some standards I have not made absolute statements on, and I have considered for years, and the whole time I have not wasted energy worrying about the souls of those who follow their own interpretations of the Scripture and their standards, when I am not sure about every single standard and Scripture.

-Bro. Alex

[EA]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

Do you think you could be wrong about any of the standards you subscribe to?

I always leave open the possibility that I am wrong, and I feel it has done me good. There are some things that I highly doubt I am wrong about, ie. the oneness of GOD, Acts 2:38 salvation, ect... and then there are things that I would be more willing to hear an opposing argument, on such things as holiness standards, church polity, eschatology, ect... There was a time when I believed a sister without uncut hair and a second covering on her head was risking either hell-fire, or some sort of punishment from GOD, while still being saved, and the men allowing this disorder were just as worthy of a punishment from GOD. However, time went on, I studied it further, and I saw that uncut hair was not required and that the second covering was a cultural reference Paul was making. I wasted a lot of time and energy arguing, debating and worried about people's souls. Do you believe it is possible that you are wrong about ANY of your holiness standards? Do you believe any are worth further study. Some standards I have not made absolute statements on, and I have considered for years, and the whole time I have not wasted energy worrying about the souls of those who follow their own interpretations of the Scripture and their standards, when I am not sure about every single standard and Scripture.

-Bro. Alex

I am astonished at the suggestion that I COULD BE wrong!