Bishop SC Johnson

[warrior]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Jesus clearly said in Jn. 2:19 the body would raise from the dead. THAT body ascended INTO Heaven. Acts 1:9-11 That SAME Jesus is returning in LIKE MANNER as ye SEEN HIm go away.

Elder Epley, you have done it again. You gave more scripture that refutes the very doctrine of NO SON OF GOD IN HEAVEN NOW!

[warrior]

Originally Posted by sis_perez

He went back to what he was. That is why when Jesus appeared and the doors were shut, and Thomas saw him, Thomas said " My Lord and my God. He only saw one. But Steve the way you keep talking I still dont know if you believe there is one or two Gods. What do you believe? You say one person... God is no person. God is a Spirit!!!Person signifies to me flesh and blood. Remember, that body belonged to the father. He made it. So he could call what he made his son. Just like the church is the son. It is the mystical body of Christ.
And God is in his church. The spirit that was in the body was the father. When the blood was shed, and the spirit left the body. The body had no more life. The son was gone. The life was in the Blood. In 3 days the spirit got back inside that body and Changed it. The son(BLood) never returned. So that was the Father confusing the Carnal mind. And people want to throw off on Johnson. Well the man know what he was talking about. And he was certainly right when he preached- that the CARNAL mind is not subject to the things of GOD.

This teaching and belief is totally contrary to the word of God. No such thing. Show the scriptures to prove it.

Yes Johnson will always be at the center of this topic because he started it. So, get over it.

[Steve Epley]

I had a Pastor friend years ago who believed the same thing we fussed about it for years. I never could understand how he could see Jesus as the Son of God on the earth and yet there were no two gods but when the Son of God went to Heaven there were two gods. There was not TWO in the Godhead when the Son of God was on the earth. God was in Christ as well as being onmipresent at the same time.

[warrior]

At least he believed the Son of God went to Heaven. Folks around here refuse to believe he went to heaven even though the Bible says he did.

[warrior]

I suggest we start with the Bible and cross reference the messages given by the pastor with the Bible to be sure it aligns. The saints need to stop believing something just because their pastor said it.

If the word doesn't support a particular teaching, it should automatically be forward to file 13 unless you choose to walk in error and continue to believe something just because you believe they are above error.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by sis_perez

All I have said was what God did and what GOD said and have asked a few questions which Warrior has refused to Answer, The question was clearly based off of what God has said. Everyone can read it for themselves. I just dont know if the God that said that is the one you refer to as your God or not. Now, God (Not Johnson) said there was no God formed before him and there wouldnt be any Gods formed after him. Do you believe that God lied when he said he didnt know no other God? I believe there is only one God, which is according to what God said,and not what Johnson or some man said. You believe it is two. Leave Johnson out of this. This is between you, God and I. Now either God is lying or you are lying. So WHO is the Liar??? Give me a straight answer please. If you dont, well we can see you are proud knowing nothing and you are manifested as a --umm......liar.

Sis. P...please read this post VERY carefully because it may very well be the last you see from me on this subject.

The point where you and me are coming to a parting of the ways is in saying that if we don't answer you, we are proud, knowing nothing, and manifested as liars.

How rude is that, dear Sister?!

For starters, we HAVE answered you to the best of our ability. For whatever reason, you refuse or cannot understand what has been posted.

SO for the LAST time:

I do NOT believe God is a liar when He said He knew no other God.

I do NOT believe in two, three or any other number of God, save ONE.

For the final record, I believe that the Spirit of the ONE God overshadowed Mary, she conceived a flesh and blood child, and as directed by the angel, named Him Jesus.

I believe that in that flesh and blood humanity dwelt all the fulness of the godhead bodily.

I believe God was IN Christ as well as omnipresent.

I believe that He lived, performed miracles, taught the multitudes, died, rose, was seen of men, and ascended into heaven.

That is NOT a contradiction of Scripture re flesh and blood not entering in. His body had been glorified, as ours will be when we are raptured out of here.

This is what the Bible meant when it talks about being CHANGED from mortal to immortality.

This glorified body is the same that we will see when we get to heaven.

He will be crowned King of Kings and Lord of Lords...can't crown a Spirit.

We will bow and worship before the throne...can't bow before a Spirit.

The four and twenty elders will cast their crowns before His feet...a Spirit doesn't have feet in which to cast crowns.

That ONE we will see is the ONLY God of Glory...ONE God, and His NAME is Jesus!!

I am sorry that you cannot grasp this. My prayer is that the Oneness of the Godhead is revealed to you.

In closing, if my posting has offended you, you have my sincere apologies. However, I cannot converse with someone who thinks that we are liars. Name calling, whether directed at me or Warrior or anyone else is unacceptable.

No one is above error...not me, not you, not Elder Epley, and not Bishop Johnson. We are all capable of making a mistake: reading something wrong or wording something incorrectly.

But to say that the difference of opinion or silence on a subject makes one to be a liar, well sis, that's where we part company.

I am not upset or offended...just don't have time to discuss with someone who doesn't want to play nice.

[warrior]

Spoken beautifully, Barb.

[sis_perez]

Good Evening all. Barb, I am really sorry that you feel that way. We all have different beliefs but only one is right. The Bible says One Lord, one Faith, One Baptism. There are too many scriptures to mention that proves that the same spirit was operating thoughout the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelations. It is a great mystery and the carnal mind cannot see that Jesus Christ is God Almighty. I dont understand why would God call himself the " redeemer" the Beginning of the bible before the son came on the scene.. God himself asked a question - saying, Is there a God besides me? Yea, there is no God. I know not any.- Then in Isaiah 44:24- Thus saith the Lord, thy REDEEMER, and He that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth for the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. So Who is the Redeemer? Jesus or God. So if God made ALL THINGS, and HE KNOW ALL THINGS, and he Made that Body withfflesh and blood called the SON, then he said In Isaiah 43:10 he said, " Ye are my witnesses saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and Believe ME and understand that "I AM HE"; before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. So accordning to what some are saying here, the son is up there with God. Its like the son is the visible one and God is the one you cant see. So it really sound like God is lying. But it is just the ignorance of men. Thats why i have confidence in the word, which I have, and it is rightly divided so a fool should be able to understand. If people dont understand then God must have sent them a strong dilusion so that they will believe something that the Bible dont support. And Just knowing that the Lord is the redeemer and that he made all things,and that he is the ONLY God, this just frustrateth the tokens of the Liars, and maketh diviners MAD,- it turneth wise men BACKWARDS, and maketh their knowledge foolish.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by sis_perez

Good Evening all. Barb, I am really sorry that you feel that way. We all have different beliefs but only one is right. The Bible says One Lord, one Faith, One Baptism. There are too many scriptures to mention that proves that the same spirit was operating thoughout the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelations. It is a great mystery and the carnal mind cannot see that Jesus Christ is God Almighty. I dont understand why would God call himself the " redeemer" the Beginning of the bible before the son came on the scene.. God himself asked a question - saying, Is there a God besides me? Yea, there is no God. I know not any.- Then in Isaiah 44:24- Thus saith the Lord, thy REDEEMER, and He that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth for the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. So Who is the Redeemer? Jesus or God. So if God made ALL THINGS, and HE KNOW ALL THINGS, and he Made that Body withfflesh and blood called the SON, then he said In Isaiah 43:10 he said, " Ye are my witnesses saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and Believe ME and understand that "I AM HE"; before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. So accordning to what some are saying here, the son is up there with God. Its like the son is the visible one and God is the one you cant see. So it really sound like God is lying. But it is just the ignorance of men. Thats why i have confidence in the word, which I have, and it is rightly divided so a fool should be able to understand. If people dont understand then God must have sent them a strong dilusion so that they will believe something that the Bible dont support. And Just knowing that the Lord is the redeemer and that he made all things,and that he is the ONLY God, this just frustrateth the tokens of the Liars, and maketh diviners MAD,- it turneth wise men BACKWARDS, and maketh their knowledge foolish.

Was there two Gods when the Son was on the earth yet the Eternal Spirit was in Heaven and in the Son at the same time?

[sis_perez]

Barb my dear friend, all I did was ask a question. I am not mad or upset. And so far, you are the ONLY ONE that answered it. So we see who is honest and who is not. And just for the record, Jesus called people fools and liars, and serpents and all that.
And some where around the beginning of this post, warrior and some others really ganged up on poor Martha. So you shouldnt have to stand up for anyone. you have proven your belief. So why cant all the rest?