Oneness and Trinitarian Unity?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by RunningOnFaith

This is a personal reply that I recieved from a Trinitarian theologian when I asked him his thoughts concerning Lee Grady's push for unity between Oneness and Trinitarian believers (his remarks are inserted in between Grady's essay. I haven't had much contact with Trinitarians, but for those of you who have, have they seemed to be as anti-oneness as this person is? Although I disagree with some of this persons theology, I do think he brought forth some interesting observations about the nature of truth.

I've met quite a few Trinitarians on line who say the same as the one who left those comments. The Trinitarian you spoke to is right on the money in every thing he said about doctrinal differences except "justification by works" and legalism, at least in my opinion. He didn't touch on OSAS but I expect he believes it. Jesus for this Trinitarian is a very different Jesus than the Oneness Jesus and the same holds true for Oneness

[Steve Epley]

The majority of Trinitarian theologians and officials think Oneness folks are heretics.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Never having been backslid myself, I don't feel any connection either way.

I was thinking about this on the way home from church today. It would be interesting to me to see how people would respond to a oneness-trinitarian discussion. Not a debate, or a point counter point, but to have a Trinitarian theologian and a oneness theologian to present in a symposium setting the details of their doctrine.
I guarantee you that garden variety saints will be so confused, they won't know what to believe.

You know how I know? I remember when a UPC church here invited folks to watch the Sabin/Urshan-Walter Martin et al. debates and people were pretty hacked off afterward in the Q&A because it was so confusing and they were upset that not every argument against the T or for the O had merit.

I remember the heated exchanges between the three ministers on the deck and several folks in the audience. People were pretty mad.

I long for the day we can at least recognize each other and have such dialog at a UGST Symposium or a AOG equivelent.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The majority of Trinitarian theologians and officials think Oneness folks are heretics.

Many see the particular view held by OP as a heretical teaching but do not in turn, deny the possibility of OP being saved.


Niether the Oneness nor the Trinitarian view denies that Jesus is God come in flesh.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Many see the particular view held by OP as a heretical teaching but do not in turn, deny the possibility of OP being saved.


Niether the Oneness nor the Trinitarian view denies that Jesus is God come in flesh.

NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been told many times Jesus was NOT God through the years by Trinity preachers.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been told many times Jesus was NOT God through the years by Trinity preachers.

Ok I suppose they are out there, even though I have never met such. At least, I would hope they meant God the "Father" in particular and were not denying the true deity of Christ.


Certainly classical Trinitarianism requires the true deity and humanity of Christ.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Ok I suppose they are out there, even though I have never met such. At least, I would hope they meant God the "Father" in particular and were not denying the true deity of Christ.


Certainly classical Trinitarianism requires the true deity and humanity of Christ.

I will admit theologians would not say this but I have met plenty of Trinity preachers and members who have heatedly told me Jesus was NOT God.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I will admit theologians would not say this but I have met plenty of Trinity preachers and members who have heatedly told me Jesus was NOT God.

You know Elder I have been told that too by some trinitarians. However, I have been told by more trinitarians that Jesus is God. But, the only disinct difference is that most of the Trinnies do not believe Jesus is the name of God. They believe God is the name. Obviously this is a title, but that is how some of them seem to say.

I tell them that they are right if they are referring to a distinct title. My name is Justin, I am Delaney's father. That is how I explain it to them, as many other oneness people do. If you really get down to the end of it they explain the Godhead very similar that we do. The major difference is they used the word "persons" and we use words like "offices," "manifestations." It is like we are both looking at a quarter. We are seeing the heads side and they are seeing the tails side. We are trying to describe what we are seeing by looking at our side and they are doing the same thing. We are looking at the same "quarter."

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

You want unity between those who serve the God of the Bible and those who subscribe to pagan deism such as trinitarianism. You think their Jesus is the same as our Jesus. You are so sadly mistaken.

Brother Price you sound like you have no clue what you are talking about. We are not talking about muslims or mormons. We are talking about Trinitarians. Are you the pastor of your church? If not I am sure you get this way of thinking from your pastor or another pastor is your shepard.

I agree that there theology is incorrect, but it is the same Jesus we both serve. Jesus died for their sins as wells as ours. Anyone that would say/think otherwise is crazy. I respect you because of your theology on Jesus being God. No wonder us oneness people have such a bad name. People that these things are the ones that give us the title of "elitist."

Trinitarians are just like us. But the main difference is that we have a revelation. Let me ask you something. If a trinitarian sees the Mighty God in Christ revelation does that mean that he suddenly meets a new Jesus? NO WAY! They see Him in a different light not a different Him in a different light. If you think that they serve a different Jesus than we do, in your own words, "you are so sadly mistaken."

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

If you think that they serve a different Jesus than we do, in your own words, "you are so sadly mistaken."

JTULLOCK, I have no problem with saying that trinitarians of the truest sense (that Jesus Christ is the 2nd person of the Godhead) do NOT serve the same Jesus Christ that I do. It is no different than me saying that Muslims serve a different God than I do.

The two Jesuses are just not the same. If they are not the same, then they are different.

Now, we might believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God together and believe in Him in that understanding, but we would still not worship Him together as the only God, the Father incarnate.

I think that is what Bro. Price is saying.