Another SPLIT from the UPCI???

[Ron]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Take it up with the Apostle Paul. Galatians 3:1 summarizes the garbage that fills a good chunk of the upci manual, especially the wardrobe doctrine.

My position on standards is modesty, gender separation, and not drawing unecessary attention to oneself. All three principles are Biblical based. There has not been one conservative who has challenged the principles. The women in my family follows these principles. The men in my family follows these principles. Got a problem with my view? Tell me where I am wrong.

Meanwhile It is arrogance to define one's salvation by the article of clothing between the waist and the thigh.

The fact a subjective dress code plays an integral part of an organization's identity shows how far off people are. Paul identifies that spirit as a spirit of withcraft. Can't help what the Word says.

I do not agree with you & further, I find discussing things with you to be as productive as talking to a brick wall!

And you ain't no Apostle Paul!

[tv1a]

Do you have another interpretation of scripture I don't know about? I don't claim to be the apostle Paul, but I do know how to read and comprehend. Paul deals with this issue more than once.

Originally Posted by Ron

I do not agree with you & further, I find discussing things with you to be as productive as talking to a brick wall!

And you ain't no Apostle Paul!

[Ron]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Do you have another interpretation of scripture I don't know about? I don't claim to be the apostle Paul, but I do know how to read and comprehend. Paul deals with this issue more than once.

TV1A, I will not continue a conversation with you. I will say this, you are on dangerous ground to be speaking so casually of Witchcraft from the Pulpit!

Good Night!

[tv1a]

When an entity is attempting to coerce someone to preach another gospel, they are no different the Jewish leaders trying to force their belief systems down the throats of the Galatian church.

It's not a casual comment. It is years of observation. The undue burden of forcing non biblical issues on people.

Whether or not you continue the conversation with me is irrelevant. Galatians 3:1 was set in stone when Paul wrote to the Galatian church. I can't in all good conscience read the Book of Galatians and come up with the conclusion Paul didn't mean what he said.

Originally Posted by Ron

TV1A, I will not continue a conversation with you. I will say this, you are on dangerous ground to be speaking so casually of Witchcraft from the Pulpit!

Good Night!

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by tv1a

When an entity is attempting to coerce someone to preach another gospel, they are no different the Jewish leaders trying to force their belief systems down the throats of the Galatian church.

It's not a casual comment. It is years of observation. The undue burden of forcing non biblical issues on people.

Whether or not you continue the conversation with me is irrelevant. Galatians 3:1 was set in stone when Paul wrote to the Galatian church. I can't in all good conscience read the Book of Galatians and come up with the conclusion Paul didn't mean what he said.

Preach another gospel? You're missing it. The jewish equated the old covenant circumcision to be a necessity for salvation. We have made a big straw man of many conservative positions on standards, where they are not soteriological as much as they are ecclesiological. Not everyone thinks modesty standards are salvific -- that misses the point. So saying the preacher that admonishes his congregation to wear modest clothing, and makes application to say "let's keep it around the elbow" to a Judaizer as a literal parallel, is outrageous. Same with the Pharisee accusations. While I see major lessons, and even some eery similarities with the Pharisees and some sects of the church today, most are a LONG ways from Pharisees. That's just spouting ignorance -- and any reading on who the Judaizers were, and who Pharisees were with an objective lens would tell you that.