Another SPLIT from the UPCI???

[oletime]

for the life of me i cannot understand how anyone can twist a meaning out of bro urshans statement its simple folks he said nothing about not caring whether you believed the affirmation or not he said if you believe it sign it and dont worry about anyone else disputing or interpeting your signature period.i said it before ill say it again the worst day imho was when bro urshan passed if he were still gs this never would have been shoved through by what 900 some votes out of something like 30000 i been told worldwide? whatever the numbers it was a miniscule proportion he would have gaveled it out of existence forever because he knew it would cause exactly what happened that folks is leadership and wisdom you can say they would have left eventually anyway but that is pure self serving speculation. they contended to the disunity of the body ie: the split, plain and simple.i only wish i could ask bro mangun and some others if they had it to do over would they? from what little i have seen of bro manguns spirit i think he probably does regret it. i dont think he is a divisive person, or a liberal so called. you cant be against tv or internet in the home and then advertise or broadcast on it to do so is ridiculous . that is why it shouldnt have been passed unless they want to eliminate the as which is probably next but they did it backwards.ps if you preach agaisnt this and cut hair etc etc and most of your people are still doing it it must be because your allowing it on the platform with no consequences or you dont really care or your a hireling jmo

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by oletime

for the life of me i cannot understand how anyone can twist a meaning out of bro urshans statement its simple folks he said nothing about not caring whether you believed the affirmation or not he said if you believe it sign it and dont worry about anyone else disputing or interpeting your signature period.i said it before ill say it again the worst day imho was when bro urshan passed if he were still gs this never would have been shoved through by what 900 some votes out of something like 30000 i been told worldwide? whatever the numbers it was a miniscule proportion he would have gaveled it out of existence forever because he knew it would cause exactly what happened that folks is leadership and wisdom you can say they would have left eventually anyway but that is pure self serving speculation. they contended to the disunity of the body ie: the split, plain and simple.i only wish i could ask bro mangun and some others if they had it to do over would they? from what little i have seen of bro manguns spirit i think he probably does regret it. i dont think he is a divisive person, or a liberal so called. you cant be against tv or internet in the home and then advertise or broadcast on it to do so is ridiculous . that is why it shouldnt have been passed unless they want to eliminate the as which is probably next but they did it backwards.ps if you preach agaisnt this and cut hair etc etc and most of your people are still doing it it must be because your allowing it on the platform with no consequences or you dont really care or your a hireling jmo

Huh? He was GS in '93

What are you talking about that he wouldn't have allowed to have passed? The AS or the advertising on TV?

[oletime]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Huh? He was GS in '93

What are you talking about that he wouldn't have allowed to have passed? The AS or the advertising on TV?

the advertising on tv because of the division it would and did cause

[EA]

Originally Posted by oletime

for the life of me i cannot understand how anyone can twist a meaning out of bro urshans statement its simple folks he said nothing about not caring whether you believed the affirmation or not he said if you believe it sign it and dont worry about anyone else disputing or interpeting your signature period.i said it before ill say it again the worst day imho was when bro urshan passed if he were still gs this never would have been shoved through by what 900 some votes out of something like 30000 i been told worldwide? whatever the numbers it was a miniscule proportion he would have gaveled it out of existence forever because he knew it would cause exactly what happened that folks is leadership and wisdom you can say they would have left eventually anyway but that is pure self serving speculation. they contended to the disunity of the body ie: the split, plain and simple.i only wish i could ask bro mangun and some others if they had it to do over would they? from what little i have seen of bro manguns spirit i think he probably does regret it. i dont think he is a divisive person, or a liberal so called. you cant be against tv or internet in the home and then advertise or broadcast on it to do so is ridiculous . that is why it shouldnt have been passed unless they want to eliminate the as which is probably next but they did it backwards.ps if you preach agaisnt this and cut hair etc etc and most of your people are still doing it it must be because your allowing it on the platform with no consequences or you dont really care or your a hireling jmo

Friend, I think it would be best if you just closed your trap for a bit.

The UPC currently has around 8700 ministers worldwide, not 30,000.

And of those 8700, only around 2000 showed up in Tampa to vote. The margin of passage was around 2-3%. That is very common in many ballot initiatives, and most Presidential elections fall within a similar margin.

Please, don't rewrite history to fit your agenda.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

Friend, I think it would be best if you just closed your trap for a bit.

The UPC currently has around 8700 ministers worldwide, not 30,000.

And of those 8700, only around 2000 showed up in Tampa to vote. The margin of passage was around 2-3%. That is very common in many ballot initiatives, and most Presidential elections fall within a similar margin.

Please, don't rewrite history to fit your agenda.

Ed, you are actually wrong on these numbers. The UPC has over 30,000 ministers.

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Ed, you are actually wrong on these numbers. The UPC has over 30,000 ministers.

Worldwide being the key.

I wonder what percentage of the 30,000 had television privileges before the resolution that has Oletime's knickers in a knot?

If memory serves me right, the UPC of Jamaica has allowed television for several years.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Worldwide being the key.

I wonder what percentage of the 30,000 had television privileges before the resolution that has Oletime's knickers in a knot?

If memory serves me right, the UPC of Jamaica has allowed television for several years.

Sure, but that was Oletime's assertion too.

[EA]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Ed, you are actually wrong on these numbers. The UPC has over 30,000 ministers.

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Worldwide being the key.

I wonder what percentage of the 30,000 had television privileges before the resolution that has Oletime's knickers in a knot?

If memory serves me right, the UPC of Jamaica has allowed television for several years.

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Sure, but that was Oletime's assertion too.

The assertion was that there was a voting bloc of 30,ooo ministers. That is, quite simply, not true.

The assertion was that the issue passed by 900 votes. Again, not true.

The assertion was that all ministers, worldwide, operate from the same manual. Again, not true.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

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The assertion was that all ministers, worldwide, operate from the same manual. Again, not true.

Is "The Manual" as we know it only applicable to the continental U.S.A.?

How many "Manuals" are there?

If tv is not an issue in some of the countries, how about hair? I had heard somewhere that the requirement for long hair on ladies was only an American UPC issue. Is that correct? Are UPC ladies allowed to trim/cut their hair in other countries?

[oletime]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Ed, you are actually wrong on these numbers. The UPC has over 30,000 ministers.

tanks sh, appreciate the confirmation. when i said upc i didnt mean just our little corner of the world and the usa is just a fly speck in the ocean but i didnt say WORLDWIDE my bad ! btw just to set he record straight for everyone, i never got anything in a bunch i didnt bash anyone for watching whatever, i dont live thier life and im not responsible for them , im just saying it was wrong to do this the way it was done it was contending to detriment unless someone wants to believe that its no big deal that the upc lost the bookers, godairs,coons personaly i dont think so, but that is just my opinion do i have a tv? no, will i get one anytime soon? no, have i been know too catch part of a sporting event now and then on one somewhere? sshhh !.would i watch one in front of you if i knew you would be offended ?no , if meat offendeth my brother ... know what im saying? a lot of people seem to have forgotten that m leaf , dont know probably a bunch that still doesnt change my basic point jmho ,the carrie underwood thiing? just a joke, if you think you found something minor it doesnt mean the whole thing is bad . ill take her with more then one pimple, just as long as she doesnt turn into lyle lovett, look up a picture of him.although it didnt seem to matter to julia roberts was it ? again just a joke folks !