Another SPLIT from the UPCI???

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by CC1

Read my post again. I did not say any of the things you mentin. I merely stated I was interested in seeing how your idea works out that not wearing shorts is going to make you closer to God. I don't see any Bible for that happening either directly or extrapolated from principles but that does not mean it is not going to happen for you. That is why I said keep us posted and let us know how that works out!

So you are saying that if a person decides to not wear shorts (a specific standard or consecration) in order to get closer to God, that decision is not Bible based.


If that decision is not Bible based, how can it possibly get me closer to God to do so?

[oletime]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

So you are saying that if a person decides to not wear shorts (a specific standard or consecration) in order to get closer to God, that decision is not Bible based.


If that decision is not Bible based, how can it possibly get me closer to God to do so?

the only thing i can come up with from what i was taught jd is we are not to expose our body immodestly NOW whats immodest i aint going there thats between you and your God my pastor teaches it depends on where we are in our walk are we going towards him or away from where you have been in other words two people could be doing the same thing for one he is attempting to sacrifice or fast something like what you suggested and in the other case it could be a step down [not related to the same example if you see what i mean] i think in your case there is a desire to step up or in a different direction and not be stagnant you know if we always do the same thing dont be surprised if we get the same results i think you are to be commended it shows the heart

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by oletime

the only thing i can come up with from what i was taught jd is we are not to expose our body immodestly NOW whats immodest i aint going there thats between you and your God my pastor teaches it depends on where we are in our walk are we going towards him or away from where you have been in other words two people could be doing the same thing for one he is attempting to sacrifice or fast something like what you suggested and in the other case it could be a step down [not related to the same example if you see what i mean] i think in your case there is a desire to step up or in a different direction and not be stagnant you know if we always do the same thing dont be surprised if we get the same results i think you are to be commended it shows the heart

Well I haven't formally committed this to God yet, honestly.

I'm only thinking about it right now-- and it has been a while since I have wore shorts in public anyway.


I don't want to be caught up in some vain practice of piety that has no value in the sight of God. I don't want to do something solely for the purpose of fitting in or whatever.

I do want to please God. I do want to get closer to God.

I remember when I was much closer to God, when I was stationed in Jacksonville, NC, I followed these standards (except when in military uniform) but I followed these standards out of obedience and compulsion-- not because I believed in them.

In fact, I hated them and thought it to be useless and phariseetical.

But I did them anyway and was a lot closer to God.


I want that walk with God back!

I want to supercede that place!!

I want to know the best way to get there from here.


I've fallen so low from that place to where I was and now I'm getting closer to Him and I just want to continue getting closer to Him.


God would sometimes (often) answer my prayers immediately when I was in Jacksonville, NC. (Often as in more often then than now for sure!)

Even though I did not lik much of the stuff that happened to me and others and the stuff I saw in general while at the church there, I learned how to pray there, I learned how to touch God there. I learned how to openly worship there.

In the flesh, I didn't like that church or Camp Lejeune or even Onclow County, NC!

But I love what God did in my life while I was there!
Those memories are priceless!
I want my walk with God to be better than that, today, and not just something I look back on and remember.

Maybe standards are the way to go for that to happen, but that doesn't make sense.

So I bring it here for discussion.
Maybe someone has been where I am right now and they can give Biblical advice.

[oletime]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well I haven't formally committed this to God yet, honestly.

I'm only thinking about it right now-- and it has been a while since I have wore shorts in public anyway.


I don't want to be caught up in some vain practice of piety that has no value in the sight of God. I don't want to do something solely for the purpose of fitting in or whatever.

I do want to please God. I do want to get closer to God.

I remember when I was much closer to God, when I was stationed in Jacksonville, NC, I followed these standards (except when in military uniform) but I followed these standards out of obedience and compulsion-- not because I believed in them.

In fact, I hated them and thought it to be useless and phariseetical.

But I did them anyway and was a lot closer to God.


I want that walk with God back!

I want to supercede that place!!

I want to know the best way to get there from here.


I've fallen so low from that place to where I was and now I'm getting closer to Him and I just want to continue getting closer to Him.


God would sometimes (often) answer my prayers immediately when I was in Jacksonville, NC. (Often as in more often then than now for sure!)

Even though I did not lik much of the stuff that happened to me and others and the stuff I saw in general while at the church there, I learned how to pray there, I learned how to touch God there. I learned how to openly worship there.

In the flesh, I didn't like that church or Camp Lejeune or even Onclow County, NC!

But I love what God did in my life while I was there!
Those memories are priceless!
I want my walk with God to be better than that, today, and not just something I look back on and remember.

Maybe standards are the way to go for that to happen, but that doesn't make sense.

So I bring it here for discussion.
Maybe someone has been where I am right now and they can give Biblical advice.

the bible does say come out from among them and be ye seperate if we look like the world, talk like the world do everything they would do, have we made ourselves seperate? does the bible tell us not to smoke? no but it does say to him that knoweth to do right and doeth it not to him it is a sin. i think any doctor would tell you not to smoke its not healthy for you so its not right. no it probably doesnt make sense but it is a committment and so God will honor it. i would suppose the reason you didnt like rules in nc was because there were too many at camp lejeun, understandable, but here have to be rules if you will in life. even in the wildlife kingdom there are rules. if you violate them you will be eaten of course we are different. we are free moral agents simply because God doesnt want robots. he wants willing servants if we submit ourselves to a higher power both to a Godly bible believing pastor and in effect to God himself the rest just falls into place. we as humans hate rules no one wants to be told what to do , but when we do it willing it is a lifestyle ps if you only do it cause the pastor says you should shame on ya" ya gotta have the want to" or you wont, my pastor now and my dad when he was my pastor would say sometimes, do i have bible for what im about to tell you no but this is my consecration, ie sleeve lengths, dress apparel, hair styles etc.etc. by the way are we trying to draw attention us or to God [that can cover a whole host of things] and so i would like to ask you to join with me and lets see where this takes us. when you look at it like, that it sheds a whole different light on things. God Bless jd

[Esther]

Originally Posted by oletime

the bible does say come out from among them and be ye seperate if we look like the world, talk like the world do everything they would do, have we made ourselves seperate? does the bible tell us not to smoke? no but it does say to him that knoweth to do right and doeth it not to him it is a sin. i think any doctor would tell you not to smoke its not healthy for you so its not right. no it probably doesnt make sense but it is a committment and so God will honor it. i would suppose the reason you didnt like rules in nc was because there were too many at camp lejeun, understandable, but here have to be rules if you will in life. even in the wildlife kingdom there are rules. if you violate them you will be eaten of course we are different. we are free moral agents simply because God doesnt want robots. he wants willing servants if we submit ourselves to a higher power both to a Godly bible believing pastor and in effect to God himself the rest just falls into place. we as humans hate rules no one wants to be told what to do , but when we do it willing it is a lifestyle ps if you only do it cause the pastor says you should shame on ya" ya gotta have the want to" or you wont, my pastor now and my dad when he was my pastor would say sometimes, do i have bible for what im about to tell you no but this is my consecration, ie sleeve lengths, dress apparel, hair styles etc.etc. by the way are we trying to draw attention us or to God [that can cover a whole host of things] and so i would like to ask you to join with me and lets see where this takes us. when you look at it like, that it sheds a whole different light on things. God Bless jd

I see the organization picking and choosing on this. The world drives cars and eats at resturants, why does the church not draw the line there?

Being separate from the world is NOT about dress so much as it is about attitutudes. JMO

[HopePreacher]

Originally Posted by Esther

I see the organization picking and choosing on this. The world drives cars and eats at resturants, why does the church not draw the line there?

Being separate from the world is NOT about dress so much as it is about attitutudes. JMO

I think the Amish are separate from the world.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Esther

I see the organization picking and choosing on this. The world drives cars and eats at resturants, why does the church not draw the line there?

Being separate from the world is NOT about dress so much as it is about attitutudes. JMO

Absolutely. It's about what you love, and how you love others.

The world uses cell phones, computers, hairspray, deodorant, toothpaste, airplanes, comfortable homes, swimming pools, shops at stores... boy, you could go on and on.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Absolutely. It's about what you love, and how you love others.

The world uses cell phones, computers, hairspray, deodorant, toothpaste, airplanes, comfortable homes, swimming pools, shops at stores... boy, you could go on and on.

Have you noticed that when many folks tell you that they heard the voice of God, the message always is in agreement with their beliefs? Couldn't God speak to you and tell you something opposite to what you believe? At that point, wouldn't most people think that it was Satan tempting them into heresy? Think about it!

"Separation from the world" doesn't mean that you join a cult and move to a ranch far away from everybody! The world lies, cheats and steals, and Godly people don't live their lives that way. You will know a Godly person by their love toward one another.

It does NOT mean to separate yourself from your given dress culture.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

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The world uses cell phones, computers, hairspray, deodorant, toothpaste, airplanes, comfortable homes, swimming pools, shops at stores... boy, you could go on and on.

Not all Christians participate in that worldly stuff.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Your problem with your walk with God is bigger than a pair of shorts or list of rules. I heard a preacher say he does his morning prayer and devotional in his underwear. (UPCI preacher)

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Originally Posted by Bryan

JD,

Take wot tv1a has said into consideration.
BTW, where you're at today... I am there also.

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

My problems came to the surface, and I have dealt/am still dealing, with them, and I can't run behind standards or make more and more standards to cover myself, as Adam and Eve covered themselves with fig leaves...

-Bro. Alex

Originally Posted by HopePreacher

BroJD - I appreciate your openness. I just don't think God gives one whit whether your legs are in shorts or full length pants.

To include CC1 and everyone else, thank you very, very much.



To the author of this thread, I did not mean to hijack this thread.

My apologies.