New trend in Apostolic churches???

[TheLegalist]

I always find it amusing we think we are in control and God is not. We say one thing and then act in a total contrary way. Guns protecting preachers..... HAHAHA Pathetic!

[StillStanding]

I've always wanted to pack heat in church!

[Withdrawn]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

I always find it amusing we think we are in control and God is not. We say one thing and then act in a total contrary way. Guns protecting preachers..... HAHAHA Pathetic!

[Esther]

Interesting timing on this subject. Tuesday a friend of mine that is NOT Pentecostal has a father that is the sherrif of a small town. He goes to a church and is now wearing his gun and guarding the church with some other men. Their concerns is more with what they preceive as the direction the government seems to be heading in regards to the church.

As to the comment trust God to protect you is fine. However, I wonder why you go to work? Why don't you trust God to provide for you? Some things I believe God expects you to do for yourself.

He was with David when he went to gather his and his men's family that had been taken away.

Also, a church I once attended had a man come in and shoot and kill his girlfirend because she join a Pentecostal church. He also had threatened the pastor, but the pastor had gotten delayed by a phone call and was not yet in the scantuary. Fortunately, there were some off duty police officers that were able to take him down.

I think each person has to do what they can live with. If carrying a gun is too much for you, that is your call. But don't condemn those who don't have a problem with it.

JMO

[citizen]

Originally Posted by Esther

Interesting timing on this subject. Tuesday a friend of mine that is NOT Pentecostal has a father that is the sherrif of a small town. He goes to a church and is now wearing his gun and guarding the church with some other men. Their concerns is more with what they preceive as the direction the government seems to be heading in regards to the church.

As bad as America has become or may be headed - she in NO WAY can touch Rome's wickedness. Not yet...not at this moment. And still Jesus told Peter to put up the sword. This was God's instruction for a saint - in the midst of a very wicked, bloody, pagan and base government. Paul told the apostolics of his day that the weapons of our warfare were not of this world.

Originally Posted by Esther

As to the comment trust God to protect you is fine. However, I wonder why you go to work? Why don't you trust God to provide for you? Some things I believe God expects you to do for yourself.

Because apostolics have been instructed by Paul to work for their food. He said if you dont work, you don't eat.

Originally Posted by Esther

He was with David when he went to gather his and his men's family that had been taken away.

And he was with the Elders when he told them to stone rebellious children. David was before the Jesus and he was before the in-dwelling of the Holy Ghost.

Originally Posted by Esther

Also, a church I once attended had a man come in and shoot and kill his girlfirend because she join a Pentecostal church. He also had threatened the pastor, but the pastor had gotten delayed by a phone call and was not yet in the scantuary. Fortunately, there were some off duty police officers that were able to take him down.

I think each person has to do what they can live with. If carrying a gun is too much for you, that is your call. But don't condemn those who don't have a problem with it.

JMO

Fortunately? So thats what we are dealing with now. Fortune.

As people of God, it seems that we are too wrapped up in how the society around us deals with a whole host of ugly situations.

Apostolics should pull back. Maybe come out from among them.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Esther

Interesting timing on this subject. Tuesday a friend of mine that is NOT Pentecostal has a father that is the sherrif of a small town. He goes to a church and is now wearing his gun and guarding the church with some other men. Their concerns is more with what they preceive as the direction the government seems to be heading in regards to the church.

As to the comment trust God to protect you is fine. However, I wonder why you go to work? Why don't you trust God to provide for you? Some things I believe God expects you to do for yourself.

He was with David when he went to gather his and his men's family that had been taken away.

Also, a church I once attended had a man come in and shoot and kill his girlfirend because she join a Pentecostal church. He also had threatened the pastor, but the pastor had gotten delayed by a phone call and was not yet in the scantuary. Fortunately, there were some off duty police officers that were able to take him down.

I think each person has to do what they can live with. If carrying a gun is too much for you, that is your call. But don't condemn those who don't have a problem with it.

JMO

ahhh yes, the smell of humanism in the air.

Shall we discuss the passages of Jesus not worry about clothing, food etc...
Also if you are in his will with your job and that is where he wants you, you are depending on him. Carrying a gun and shooting people is not love toward thy enemy and to those who persecute you and despitefully use you. It also shows a lack of trust in God vs human ability to take hold of the issue. Our battle is of the Spirit not in the flesh. Maybe because you lack power in the Spirit do you feel the need to cast down your foes by the flesh. Depending upon God to deliver you is true faith through the power of his Spirit. Did God tell you to wear the gun or was it your humanistic reasoning that justifies your action. have your footsteps been prepared by him by his leading? If so what have you to fear?

Also it's not "our" call it's God's in ALL THINGS!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

ahhh yes, the smell of humanism in the air.

Shall we discuss the passages of Jesus not worry about clothing, food etc...
Also if you are in his will with your job and that is where he wants you, you are depending on him. Carrying a gun and shooting people is not love toward thy enemy and to those who persecute you and despitefully use you. It also shows a lack of trust in God vs human ability to take hold of the issue. Our battle is of the Spirit not in the flesh. Maybe because you lack power in the Spirit do you feel the need to cast down your foes by the flesh. Depending upon God to deliver you is true faith through the power of his Spirit. Did God tell you to wear the gun or was it your humanistic reasoning that justifies your action. have your footsteps been prepared by him by his leading? If so what have you to fear?

Also it's not "our" call it's God's in ALL THINGS!

Amen.

Well said.

I'd like to add. It's unrealistic to believe that God will protect any of us from all danger and harm. In fact, if you study the words of Jesus, you will discover that trial, persecution, and tribulation are promised to the saints of God. However, we are called to obedience even if it costs us our very lives. Loving one's enemy and prayng for those who persecute us is a commandment from the lips of Jesus. He sent us as sheep before wolves. He called us to be as harmless as doves... yet as wise as serpents. The use of wisdom, wit, ruse, and escape are a Christian's tool box and prayer is our weapon. We are sent as sheep among wolves. Christ drew the line in the sand regarding violence and lethal force. I think it's fair to ask...

Who is prepared to be like a sheep before wolves? Who has the guts to be a Christian?

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Amen.

Well said.

I'd like to add. It's unrealistic to believe that God will protect any of us from all danger and harm. In fact, if you study the words of Jesus, you will discover that trial, persecution, and tribulation are promised to the saints of God. However, we are called to obedience even if it costs us our very lives. Loving one's enemy and prayng for those who persecute us is a commandment from the lips of Jesus. He sent us as sheep before wolves. He called us to be as harmless as doves... yet as wise as serpents. The use of wisdom, wit, ruse, and escape are a Christian's tool box and prayer is our weapon. We are sent as sheep among wolves. Christ drew the line in the sand regarding violence and lethal force. I think it's fair to ask...

Who is prepared to be like a sheep before wolves? Who has the guts to be a Christian?

We must count the costs.... Is he worthy? Amen he is worthy! The difference between equal retribution and giving beyond what is minimum is loving you enemy and giving what you have beyond what is asked without respect to reward or expense. True love is found in his arms and how he held us when we where enemies of his. Shall we not give our lives also for those whom are lost? Are we not sheep led to the slaughter? Is our passion really equal to his sacrifice. We are not truly his until we let all be ALL. Until you become a provider/provision of life(I AM) to those around you, we lack his passion and fail to be a living sacrifice holy acceptable unto God which is your "reasonable" service. It's the minimum because he gave all we likewise owe all.