Obey Them that Rule???

Originally Posted by Michlow

LOL, I knew you would give me a hard time about that....and just to be contentious...here is another version:

Isaiah 2:22 (The Message)

22Quit scraping and fawning over mere humans,
so full of themselves, so full of hot air!
Can't you see there's nothing to them?

That's not a Bible version, it's a PARAPHRASE!

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

If someone just walks into my office one day and says they are my boss, but cannot even prove that they work for my company other than the fact that they say they do... am I in rebellion for not following them? What if they have a "license" from a man-made organization who claims to represent my company (and again, the organization cannot prove that it has been endorsed by the "head office" other than the fact that it says it is).

Using your office as an analogy for what happens in the CHURCH is not valid. There is no comparison.

Once, when I was growing up, at one of those Saturday rest home services my dad held, a little old lady thought I was her son and tried to take me back to her room in her rest home... she sincerely believed she was my mother, should I have followed her because she believed she was in a position of authority over me?

Again, an invalid analogy.

It is not your place to question GOD about whether HE has placed someone over you.

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Did God himself write this version? If so, where can I get one? I believe it would clear a lot of things up... or is it again just a compilation of copies of copies of letters and texts which were decided on by a council of men who decided what would go into the bible hundreds of years after the letters and texts of what we know as the New Testament were written (like all other bibles)?

Now, go back and actually READ what I wrote. God does not refer people to vile translations (like "dynamic equivalence" translations).

People with the Holy Ghost cannot even be consistant on a trivial issue such as television (yet they all speak directly to God. Ha!)... how can you expect people who were not even Apostolic/Pentecostal to decide what would actually go into the bible. There is no infallible bible... they are all just copies of copies of copies of which were decided on by a group of men who thought they were in a position to decide such things. An infallible bible would have been kept intact, in God's own hand (except that He didn't write any of it, his followers did) throughout the ages, with no question of authenticity...

People who were not Pentecostal DID decide what would actually go into the Bible and Oneness Pentecostals rely on supposedly unsaved people (trinitarians) to translate their Bible for them.

The Bible is the inspired, inerrant written revelation of God in the original manuscripts and a sufficient rule of faith and doctrine in the various translations from the original to the extent the translations are accurate translations of the original.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Chan

It is not your place to question GOD about whether HE has placed someone over you.

Of course it is. If not, we would all just sit under the rule of the first man that came along in our lives.

Chan,
you may be OK with your interpretation that we have rulers but only have one master. I think that is a very poor interpretation of the scriptures.

[Michlow]

Originally Posted by Chan

That's not a Bible version, it's a PARAPHRASE!

That's why I quoted it (just to irk you)

Originally Posted by tbpew

Of course it is. If not, we would all just sit under the rule of the first man that came along in our lives.

Chan,
you may be OK with your interpretation that we have rulers but only have one master. I think that is a very poor interpretation of the scriptures.

The Bible says what it says. Read the words of the scripture. Hebrews 13:17 says, "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you." The Greek word translated "rule" in that passage has the following meanings:

1. to lead
2. to go before
3. to be a leader
   1. to rule, command
   2. to have authority over
   3. a prince, of regal power, governor, viceroy, chief, leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers or leaders of the churches
   4. used of any kind of leader, chief, commander
   5. the leader in speech, chief, spokesman
4. to consider, deem, account, think

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Chan

The Bible says what it says. Read the words of the scripture. Hebrews 13:17 says, "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you." The Greek word translated "rule" in that passage has the following meanings:

1. to lead
2. to go before
3. to be a leader
   1. to rule, command
   2. to have authority over
   3. a prince, of regal power, governor, viceroy, chief, leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers or leaders of the churches
   4. used of any kind of leader, chief, commander
   5. the leader in speech, chief, spokesman
4. to consider, deem, account, think

Poster CHAN is willing to accept a 25% possibility that we can have RULERS yet only have one MASTER.

It would seem by your supplied definition that you have a 1 in 4 CHAN of being appropriate usage.

Poster tbpew has a 75% possibility of receiving the correct witness from Heb 13:17.

I am quite comforted by a 3 in 4 chance, particularly when the etymology of the word OBEY gets to include the witness of "FOLLOW".

Originally Posted by tbpew

Poster CHAN is willing to accept a 25% possibility that we can have RULERS yet only have one MASTER.

It would seem by your supplied definition that you have a 1 in 4 CHAN of being appropriate usage.

Poster tbpew has a 75% possibility of receiving the correct witness from Heb 13:17.

I am quite comforted by a 3 in 4 chance, particularly when the etymology of the word OBEY gets to include the witness of "FOLLOW".

But then you would be taking the use of the word out of the specific context of the passage.