Do you think Two Church services a month is enough?

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

If someone would willfully lay out of church for a month if there was a church for them to go to Id say there something very wrong indeed.

Church can't save anyone, only Jesus can do that. If a church goes outside the gospel of grace as Jesus taught being the only way unto Him, I'd avoid it like the plague as well. If you can't stand for Jesus without the church, your already lost~

[John Atkinson]

Originally Posted by CupCake

Church can't save anyone, only Jesus can do that. If a church goes outside the gospel of grace as Jesus taught being the only way unto Him, I'd avoid it like the plague as well. If you can't stand for Jesus without the church, your already lost~

Yes, only Jesus can save.


CLUE: he uses THE CHURCH!

initially through the preaching of the Gospel.

And then people grow in grace as they gather with the church and are edified and hear exortation, reproof and rebuke. All done decently and in order in THE CHURCH.


Anyone attempting to serve God by himself is serving a philosophical illusion.

God ordained the church, Christ's body.

If you are your own little island, serving your concept of God without the body? You are lost and desperately need finding,

But be of good cheer, Jesus came to seek and save that which is lost.

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

Yes, only Jesus can save.


CLUE: he uses THE CHURCH!

initially through the preaching of the Gospel.

And then people grow in grace as they gather with the church and are edified and hear exortation, reproof and rebuke. All done decently and in order in THE CHURCH.


Anyone attempting to serve God by himself is serving a philosophical illusion.

God ordained the church, Christ's body.

If you are your own little island, serving your concept of God without the body? You are lost and desperately need finding,

But be of good cheer, Jesus came to seek and save that which is lost.

I don't buy this I know of many people who don't step foot in the church who have a very godly and strong, prayerful walk with God. The church needs God, not the other way around, nor does God need their four wall, He does move beyond them. Besides most people I know who were in the organization are now divorced or really messed up, due to the fact they never really had a walk with God, just the man made church~ Jesus did come to saved that which was lost, so if one is saved why must they keep going and going back to the doctor to fix what Jesus has fixed! Unless you've never really been fixed to begin with~

[John Atkinson]

Originally Posted by CupCake

I don't buy this I know of many people who don't step foot in the church who have a very godly and strong, prayerful walk with God. The church needs God, not the other way around, nor does God need their four wall, He does move beyond them. Besides most people I know who were in the organization are now divorced or really messed up, due to the fact they never really had a walk with God, just the man made church~ Jesus did come to saved that which was lost, so if one is saved why must they keep going and going back to the doctor to fix what Jesus has fixed! Unless you've never really been fixed to begin with~

nice opinion. Too bad for you, you don't have a single supporting scripture.

Well, gotta go to work. See ya later cupcake....

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

nice opinion. Too bad for you, you don't have a single supporting scripture.

Well, gotta go to work. See ya later cupcake....

Remember, the "Church" does not save anybody, only our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ can save us (John 3:17; 10:9, Acts 2:21; 4:12; 15:11; 16:31, Romans 10:9,13).

"Church" is basically a temple made with hands. Does God dwell in temples made with hands? Scripture tells us~

Acts 7:48, "Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands"

Acts 17:24, "God...dwelleth not in temples made with hands"

"True Worship"?

The basic meaning of the word "worship" is service. To "worship" God is to put every area of one's life under the His Law. Worship in the generic sense is the devotion we owe to God in the whole of life. God is sovereign, He is Lord, having sovereignty over us and propriety in us, and therefore in all that we do we owe subjection to him, devotion to His revealed will, obedience to His commandments. There is no area of life where the injunction does not apply (1 Corinthians 10:31). In view of the lordship of Christ as Mediator, all of life comes under His dominion (Colossians 3:23,24).

In the Old Testament there was also a more specific usage for "worship," namely, the observance of the ceremonial rituals. These ritual observances typified worship in every area of life. Animal sacrifice, the burning of incense, attendance at temple, and other rigors were imposed on the people of Israel, and were but shadows of the worship of the New Covenant.

Jesus spoke of the New Covenant form of worship in John 4. The woman at the well, having been confronted with the ethical demands of the Lord Jesus (regarding her adulterous life), attempts a "doctrinal" diversion: she asks Jesus about "worship." Putting words in Jesus' mouth, she claims that worship occurs in a certain place (John 4:20). Jesus denies that worship occurs in any place, and says, "true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth" (John 4:21-24).

But the real question is not whether believers should exhort one another daily, but whether it is required of believers to engage in a certain kind of meeting, with certain credentialed officers, to expose themselves to a specified ritual of acts which are called "attending church." Is this a scriptural command?



Can you find one occurrence in the New Testament books of "worship" in the ceremonial/specific sense (going to a specific place to worship) being required of bondservants of Christ? The answer is no. Or are the occurrences of "worship" speaking of obedience in every area of life? The answer is yes. Do any of the Greek words used for "worship" occur in any sense requiring bondservants of Christ to go to Jerusalem, or to any specific "place" to "worship" God? No, they do not. Would we expect centralized ceremonial "worship" to be required today in light of the fact that Jews were doing this because the spirit of God was not yet given them (John 7:39)? In light of the fact that in the Old Testament, God only dwelt in temples made with hands because the Spirit was not yet inside of the people, but today, God says He does not dwell in temples made with hands, because the Spirit of God dwells within our bodies? If you "attend church," have you been trained to search the Scriptures to find the answers to such questions as these (Acts 17:11), or do you need to ask your "pastor"~

[originalsecretplace]

Originally Posted by CupCake

"True Worship"?

The basic meaning of the word "worship" is service. To "worship" God is to put every area of one's life under the His Law. Worship in the generic sense is the devotion we owe to God in the whole of life. God is sovereign, He is Lord, having sovereignty over us and propriety in us, and therefore in all that we do we owe subjection to him, devotion to His revealed will, obedience to His commandments. There is no area of life where the injunction does not apply (1 Corinthians 10:31). In view of the lordship of Christ as Mediator, all of life comes under His dominion (Colossians 3:23,24).

In the Old Testament there was also a more specific usage for "worship," namely, the observance of the ceremonial rituals. These ritual observances typified worship in every area of life. Animal sacrifice, the burning of incense, attendance at temple, and other rigors were imposed on the people of Israel, and were but shadows of the worship of the New Covenant.

Jesus spoke of the New Covenant form of worship in John 4. The woman at the well, having been confronted with the ethical demands of the Lord Jesus (regarding her adulterous life), attempts a "doctrinal" diversion: she asks Jesus about "worship." Putting words in Jesus' mouth, she claims that worship occurs in a certain place (John 4:20). Jesus denies that worship occurs in any place, and says, "true worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth" (John 4:21-24).

But the real question is not whether believers should exhort one another daily, but whether it is required of believers to engage in a certain kind of meeting, with certain credentialed officers, to expose themselves to a specified ritual of acts which are called "attending church." Is this a scriptural command?



Can you find one occurrence in the New Testament books of "worship" in the ceremonial/specific sense (going to a specific place to worship) being required of bondservants of Christ? The answer is no. Or are the occurrences of "worship" speaking of obedience in every area of life? The answer is yes. Do any of the Greek words used for "worship" occur in any sense requiring bondservants of Christ to go to Jerusalem, or to any specific "place" to "worship" God? No, they do not. Would we expect centralized ceremonial "worship" to be required today in light of the fact that Jews were doing this because the spirit of God was not yet given them (John 7:39)? In light of the fact that in the Old Testament, God only dwelt in temples made with hands because the Spirit was not yet inside of the people, but today, God says He does not dwell in temples made with hands, because the Spirit of God dwells within our bodies? If you "attend church," have you been trained to search the Scriptures to find the answers to such questions as these (Acts 17:11), or do you need to ask your "pastor"~

Yes.




Jhn 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

Originally Posted by originalsecretplace

Yes.




Jhn 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Jhn 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Jhn 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

Our walk need to be daily, not once a week, but daily with God. His Kingdom dwells within us bodily~

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by CupCake

I don't buy this I know of many people who don't step foot in the church who have a very godly and strong, prayerful walk with God. The church needs God, not the other way around, nor does God need their four wall, He does move beyond them. Besides most people I know who were in the organization are now divorced or really messed up, due to the fact they never really had a walk with God, just the man made church~ Jesus did come to saved that which was lost, so if one is saved why must they keep going and going back to the doctor to fix what Jesus has fixed! Unless you've never really been fixed to begin with~

Maybe you should try reading the Bible and see God's opinion of the church it certainly does not mirror yours.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by CupCake

I don't buy this I know of many people who don't step foot in the church who have a very godly and strong, prayerful walk with God. The church needs God, not the other way around, nor does God need their four wall, He does move beyond them. Besides most people I know who were in the organization are now divorced or really messed up, due to the fact they never really had a walk with God, just the man made church~ Jesus did come to saved that which was lost, so if one is saved why must they keep going and going back to the doctor to fix what Jesus has fixed! Unless you've never really been fixed to begin with~

I know some that even went off into witchcraft.

JK, JK. Lighten up and at least make posts that can be believed.