Supreme Court to Hear Case on Obama

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Twisp

That is not true. The 14th amendment clearly states that:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Moreover, the Civil Rights Act of 1886 clearly states "that all persons born in the United States not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed," were citizens of the United States. Such citizens were "of every race and color" and "without regard to any previous condition of slavery or involuntary servitude."

Obama's parent's citizenship did not preclude him from being a US born citizen. He is a citizen by virtue of being born in the United States.

American citizen vs. Natural born American citizen

The clause of the Constitution that says a president must be "natural born" made an exception for the founding fathers who were grandfathered into the Constitution. Why? Because none of them were natural born nor would they be considered natural born upon citizenship.

Clearly then we can see that American citizenship by itself is not the only test for being president. Instead the natural born clause which is distinct from citizenship alone; comes into play. It was put there to protect our nation from a president who might have divided loyalities. Hmm...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEnaAZrYqQI

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Newman

American citizen vs. Natural born American citizen

The clause of the Constitution that says a president must be "natural born" made an exception for the founding fathers who were grandfathered into the Constitution. Why? Because none of them were natural born nor would they be considered natural born upon citizenship.

Clearly then we can see that American citizenship by itself is not the only test for being president. Instead the natural born clause which is distinct from citizenship alone; comes into play. It was put there to protect our nation from a president who might have divided loyalities. Hmm...

Obama was natural born. He was born in Hawaii, thus he meets that requirement to being president, along with all others.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Obama was natural born. He was born in Hawaii, thus he meets that requirement to being president, along with all others.

Also not true. He was born to two parents and they were not both citizens.
Actually their marriage may have been illegal because he was legally married to another woman and had never gotten a legal divorce.
That tells us they lied on their marriage application.
The dad lied about his previous marriage. He was still married to a wife in Africa. Obama is a biblical bastard. I assume she did get her parents permission to marry as required by law because it would have shown that she was preggers.

Go read the Hawaaii marriage lisence application. It requires truth and the laws are on the back. Barack obama Sr DID not honesty fill out the questions regarding number of marriages and divorce from prior marriages.

You so mad. The next problem, if Baracky Senior lied about the other wife, then the marriage is void and being adoped as a minor and becoming a citizen of Indonesia is no problem. No problem other than it calls for his citizenship in america to never have been valid.
I like Obama He is just totally unfit for the job. Far too much unethical activity driven by him. His minions adore him.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

Also not true. He was born to two parents and they were not both citizens.
Actually their marriage may have been illegal because he was legally married to another woman and had never gotten a legal divorce.
That tells us they lied on their marriage application.
The dad lied about his previous marriage. He was still married to a wife in Africa. Obama is a biblical bastard. I assume she did get her parents permission to marry as required by law because it would have shown that she was preggers.

Go read the Hawaaii marriage lisence application. It requires truth and the laws are on the back. Barack obama Sr DID not honesty fill out the questions regarding number of marriages and divorce from prior marriages.

You so mad. The next problem, if Baracky Senior lied about the other wife, then the marriage is void and being adoped as a minor and becoming a citizen of Indonesia is no problem. No problem other than it calls for his citizenship in america to never have been valid.
I like Obama He is just totally unfit for the job. Far too much unethical activity driven by him. His minions adore him.

Again, it does not matter where his parents were from or if they were married. Him being born in Hawaii makes him a natural US citizen according to the 14th amendment. Please see the case I included in my last post to Newman. It set precedent for these types of cases.

I am not mad, I am enjoying rebutting your misinformation.

Again, any proof you would like to show to back up your accusation of him not being a US citizen would be greatly appreciated.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Again, it does not matter where his parents were from or if they were married. Him being born in Hawaii makes him a natural US citizen according to the 14th amendment. Please see the case I included in my last post to Newman. It set precedent for these types of cases.

I am not mad, I am enjoying rebutting your misinformation.
Again, any proof you would like to show to back up your accusation of him not being a US citizen would be greatly appreciated.

wiki law? You seem to be extremely uneducated.
The video explained the law since you can't use a law book subscription

We repeat the same stuff. His dad wasn't legally married to Stanley, he still had a wife in Africa
You didn't read the HI marriage laws.
so you "rebbutted nothing"

You seem to be unable to understand BOTH parents need to be citizens. That means 2 out of 2

Looks like Obama is kinda a cheater deciever also. runs in the family.
His mothers citizenship is insignificant due to her vbeing under 18 at the time of his birth

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-recor...agelicense.pdf

do you think it is OK for liberals to lie on their birth certificates?

"There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the U.S. after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon copy of his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may have been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning Obama to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown out by the courts."
As is required on the online encyclopedia, that entry was backed up by third-party media articles, citing the Chicago Tribune and WorldNetDaily.com

The entry was posted on Feb. 24, at 6:16 p.m. EST. Just three minutes later, the entry was removed by a Wikipedia administrator, claiming the posting violated the websites rules against "fringe" material.

This is why educated people avoid wiki.

If you can pick your nose, you can post on wiki. If you can pick your nose and whine (and call it fringe material) you can have it removed.

Of course it is all fringe material on snopes. They physically verify nothing.

You need to go to school and have a teacher show you how to do research.

[oletime]

coadie, i am rofl my, you know what off, keep up the good work, abama drones cant stand the truth or believe it when they do read it. I CANT WAIT TIL THIS HEALTH BILL BITES THE DUST SO WE CAN SEE HIM SQUIRM . yes we cant!!!!

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by oletime

coadie, i am rofl my, you know what off, keep up the good work, abama drones cant stand the truth or believe it when they do read it. I CANT WAIT TIL THIS HEALTH BILL BITES THE DUST SO WE CAN SEE HIM SQUIRM . yes we cant!!!!

Lol, it has nothing to do with not being able to stand the truth. You birther's simply don't have any on your side when it comes to your accusations.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by oletime

coadie, i am rofl my, you know what off, keep up the good work, abama drones cant stand the truth or believe it when they do read it. I CANT WAIT TIL THIS HEALTH BILL BITES THE DUST SO WE CAN SEE HIM SQUIRM . yes we cant!!!!

If you only knew.
Many of these dems are sick puppies. They are in bondage and fear. They hope happiness will come following global warming or whatever hysteria du jour.

Obama is getting a free ride now because no rational judge wants a constitutional crisis in his courthouse. Civil war.
If you push the buttons on the extremists, they go to the edge and demand incarceration and other revenge on dissidents.

The health plan is huge. It is expensive and it contains many monster secrets.

There is a call for no payment to doctors. In another way it can be read that they will get a 20% pay cut. And tons more paperwork. The IRS will monitor their slaes, revenues, pricing and profit. The Central Planners will dictate price changes.

Wasn't that odd that Obama's mom marries a guy and he is already married? makes the marriage null. She is 3 months pregnant with Barry baby.
Now we find Obama's half sister born in Indonesia for sure also has a Hawaaii birth certificate. Am I the only one that doesn't??

How would you like to sit at home having voted for jobs, healthcare, welfare, and all kinds of utopia and have no job. He not only failed, but your last paychek bounced and your healthplan was cut the day you went in to see a doc.
If he does get the health plan, the next wave of layoffs will be over 2 million people.
On a professional note, Obama as a certified narcissist, may not be able to get his head around healthcare dying by reason of no progress.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

wiki law? You seem to be extremely uneducated.
The video explained the law since you can't use a law book subscription

We repeat the same stuff. His dad wasn't legally married to Stanley, he still had a wife in Africa
You didn't read the HI marriage laws.
so you "rebbutted nothing"

You seem to be unable to understand BOTH parents need to be citizens. That means 2 out of 2

Looks like Obama is kinda a cheater deciever also. runs in the family.
His mothers citizenship is insignificant due to her vbeing under 18 at the time of his birth

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-recor...agelicense.pdf

do you think it is OK for liberals to lie on their birth certificates?

"There have been some doubts about whether Obama was born in the U.S. after the politician refused to release to the public a carbon copy of his birth certificate and amid claims from his relatives he may have been born in Kenya. Numerous lawsuits have been filed petitioning Obama to release his birth certificate, but most suits have been thrown out by the courts."
As is required on the online encyclopedia, that entry was backed up by third-party media articles, citing the Chicago Tribune and WorldNetDaily.com

The entry was posted on Feb. 24, at 6:16 p.m. EST. Just three minutes later, the entry was removed by a Wikipedia administrator, claiming the posting violated the websites rules against "fringe" material.

This is why educated people avoid wiki.

If you can pick your nose, you can post on wiki. If you can pick your nose and whine (and call it fringe material) you can have it removed.

Of course it is all fringe material on snopes. They physically verify nothing.

You need to go to school and have a teacher show you how to do research.

Both citizens do not have to be US citizens for their child, born on American soil, to be a US citizen.

If you have proof otherwise, please let us know.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Both citizens do not have to be US citizens for their child, born on American soil, to be a US citizen.

Twisp- You are absolutly correct. But the issue of natural born citizenship is not the same as citizenship. Natural born citizenship is citizenship on steroids.

It requires that BOTH parents are American citizens at the child's birth. The intent of the framers of the Constitution was that no one could be president who might have divided loyalties.