Honestly, I am totally amazed that you are so ticked off. That could have been posted about my dad and I wouldn't be ticked off.
eta: ha, Miss Bratt, I just saw that you brought your dad into it, too. Lol. I wasn't copy-catting, we were posting at the same time.
So funny!!!! I know of so many mistakes made--by my Dad, and by numerous other ministers. It doesn't make them bad men--they're just men. The reason it doesn't reflect terribly on their character is because its obvious they were mistaken--not malicious.
Sister Alvear didn't make DB out to be a malicious man; she just pointed out that he had made a bad judgment call with her situation--which COULD be relevant to his methods of leadership now--or not.
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
So funny!!!! I know of so many mistakes made--by my Dad, and by numerous other ministers. It doesn't make them bad men--they're just men. The reason it doesn't reflect terribly on their character is because its obvious they were mistaken--not malicious.
Sister Alvear didn't make DB out to be a malicious man; she just pointed out that he had made a bad judgment call with her situation--which COULD be relevant to his methods of leadership now--or not.
Once again, this illustrates the problem.. PO is saying that one would read the post and walk away saying that Rev. Bernard made a bad judgement call...without knowing enough about the situation.
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Once again, this illustrates the problem.. PO is saying that one would read the post and walk away saying that Rev. Bernard made a bad judgement call...without knowing enough about the situation.
Once again, this illustrates the problem.. PO is saying that one would read the post and walk away saying that Rev. Bernard made a bad judgement call...without knowing enough about the situation.
I came away from Sis. Alvear's post believing that DKB had made a decision in the past that Sis. A strongly disagreed with.
Period.
I also knew that Bro. Bernard probably has his own view of the situation.
That was EXACTLY my take on it. I didn't judge Sis. Alvear or DKB.
RG, All I'm saying is that it would be very easy for people to walk away saying that he was impulsive, jumped to conclusions, made a youthful mistake or whatever...and not know the whole situations. As someone who has seen many of the same types of situations unfold, I know that there are usually complex legal issues in addition to the complex interpersonal issues. I would suspect that that may be a large reason as to why DKB was the one handling the situation in the first place. He was characterized as impulsively writing a letter placing himself in a situation that he had no knowledge about and no reason to be involved in. I'm just saying that that might not be a fair characterization
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RG, All I'm saying is that it would be very easy for people to walk away saying that he was impulsive, jumped to conclusions, made a youthful mistake or whatever...and not know the whole situations. As someone who has seen many of the same types of situations unfold, I know that there are usually complex legal issues in addition to the complex interpersonal issues. I would suspect that that may be a large reason as to why DKB was the one handling the situation in the first place. He was characterized as impulsively writing a letter placing himself in a situation that he had no knowledge about and no reason to be involved in. I'm just saying that that might not be a fair characterization
I understand.
I'm pretty sure we all sort things out in our own minds and aren't easily swayed by anything we read here.
Stop and think about ALL the things that have been posted about K. Haney even from preachers that he's leading and no one's worried about someone reading that and tainting his reputation.
I'm pretty sure we all sort things out in our own minds and aren't easily swayed by anything we read here.
Stop and think about ALL the things that have been posted about K. Haney even from preachers that he's leading and no one's worried about someone reading that and tainting his reputation.
It's just inconsistent.
When I read the initial post about this situation I did not like it, but at first I was not going to respond. The more I read and thought about it, though, the more I did see the need to be sure that this thing was balanced out.
Many people are affected by what they read here. Particularly if it is someone they know a little talking about someone they don't really know at all. This is a sensitive time in the org in my opinion and many people read these threads with no idea what kind of leader Bro Bernard is.
...and it's difficult to sort things out in our own mind without all of the information...
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RG, All I'm saying is that it would be very easy for people to walk away saying that he was impulsive, jumped to conclusions, made a youthful mistake or whatever...and not know the whole situations. As someone who has seen many of the same types of situations unfold, I know that there are usually complex legal issues in addition to the complex interpersonal issues. I would suspect that that may be a large reason as to why DKB was the one handling the situation in the first place. He was characterized as impulsively writing a letter placing himself in a situation that he had no knowledge about and no reason to be involved in. I'm just saying that that might not be a fair characterization
tstew, it's just over-protective, and misplaced. The first few posts on this thread were MUCH more provocative and potentially offensive than anything Sister Alvear had to say. Why are those being ignored while Sister Alvear's comment is being shredded?
Too much angst for a very little comment, IMO.
Furthermore, I'm a smart girl. I don't make firm decisions about people and situations until I've heard all the facts. It insults my intelligence for someone to assume a negative comment is going to turn me against a man I barely know. I posted with a characterization of Sister Alvear's perspective--not my own. I've heard COUNTLESS negative comments about other preachers over the years--mostly by other preachers and their wives--and I learned a LONG time ago to take things with a grain of salt. Sometimes people are just venting, sometimes its just a bad experience, sometimes its legitimate, and sometimes its just plain gossipy and malicious. In this case, Sister Alvear mentioned that she had a negative interaction with DB, and thought he handled something badly. Got it. Doesn't really affect my overall opinion of DB, BECAUSE, even if I took Sister Alvear's account as law and gospel, it still only relates a poor judgment call, and nothing worse than that.
Now, PO's reactions on this thread? They're making me think she needs to take some herbal remedies to balance out her hormones.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
tstew, it's just over-protective, and misplaced. The first few posts on this thread were MUCH more provocative and potentially offensive than anything Sister Alvear had to say. Why are those being ignored while Sister Alvear's comment is being shredded?
Too much angst for a very little comment, IMO.
Furthermore, I'm a smart girl. I don't make firm decisions about people and situations until I've heard all the facts. It insults my intelligence for someone to assume a negative comment is going to turn me against a man I barely know. I posted with a characterization of Sister Alvear's perspective--not my own. I've heard COUNTLESS negative comments about other preachers over the years--mostly by other preachers and their wives--and I learned a LONG time ago to take things with a grain of salt. Sometimes people are just venting, sometimes its just a bad experience, sometimes its legitimate, and sometimes its just plain gossipy and malicious. In this case, Sister Alvear mentioned that she had a negative interaction with DB, and thought he handled something badly. Got it. Doesn't really affect my overall opinion of DB, BECAUSE, even if I took Sister Alvear's account as law and gospel, it still only relates a poor judgment call, and nothing worse than that.
Now, PO's reactions on this thread? They're making me think she needs to take some herbal remedies to balance out her hormones.
Miss B, I know that I don't read every post of every thread, but very rarely do I see specific stories being told about how a specific (and named) leader did something "wrong" to someone here personally.
I am not terribly concerned about anything like this affecting you personally, but I know how scuttlebut works and I know how many people come to AFF for info and I know how stories get repeated as gospel and are used to characterize and mischaracterize people.
At this point, I just don't think it is good to have stories circulating illustrating "poor judgement" on his behalf if it cannot be fully demonstrated... or at the very least challenged.
I have a tremendous deal of respect for Sis A and always will. However, I think that if we can wonder if Bro. Bernard showed poor judgement in a situation that we know very little about, we should also be able to wonder if she showed poor judgement in a situation that unfolded right in front of us.
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