Re: Finally something we can agree on.............
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
Translation: I'm the head of all women on this forum and they aren't listening to me, so I'm taking my toys and going elsewhere.
Don't let the door hit you in the.....well, you know.
I find it funny how people refuse to see what is right before there eyes. Earlyer I refered to Ezekiel 16 where God gave them jewlery and someone came back and said I was using a parablic passage to justify jewlery. Well ya It was still the voice of God to Ezekial telling him what to say. The fact remains God gave Isreal her wealth and she used it in whoredom and God judged her. Bottom line. I mean if God blesses me with a nice car and I use that car to sell Drugs for instance and God takes that car away from me and my home and a few other blessing he has given me does that mean that the car was a sin or the home etc. A Big Resounding No !!! Yet this is how some use scripture to preach doctrines against things they think are wrong. This covers the hair issue and several other issues in my opinion.
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Re: Finally something we can agree on.............
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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer
I find it funny how people refuse to see what is right before there eyes. Earlyer I refered to Ezekiel 16 where God gave them jewlery and someone came back and said I was using a parablic passage to justify jewlery. Well ya It was still the voice of God to Ezekial telling him what to say. The fact remains God gave Isreal her wealth and she used it in whoredom and God judged her. Bottom line. I mean if God blesses me with a nice car and I use that car to sell Drugs for instance and God takes that car away from me and my home and a few other blessing he has given me does that mean that the car was a sin or the home etc. A Big Resounding No !!! Yet this is how some use scripture to preach doctrines against things they think are wrong. This covers the hair issue and several other issues in my opinion.
Agree, "people refuse to see what is right before their eyes." "....N-O-T with gold, or pearls, or costly array." [I Tim. 2:9].
Re: Finally something we can agree on.............
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Originally Posted by rdp
Agree, "people refuse to see what is right before their eyes." "....N-O-T with gold, or pearls, or costly array." [I Tim. 2:9].
Do you know what the term "not" means?
You forgot braiding of the hair!!! Oh wait is it ok for a woman to put her hair up in fancy hair doos?
But wait you need to check the meaning of the word "not" again. this particular word does not mean "not ever" it means that those things should not be the how a women is to show holiness. It does not mean she cannot wear it. I don't say this for you though I am not trying to change your mind or any other persons mind. But just getting the children of God to quit taking everything said as the word of God but to seek out their own salvation with fear and tembling.
Some times you have to read deeper than the first word of a definition.
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Re: Finally something we can agree on.............
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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer
You forgot braiding of the hair!!! Oh wait is it ok for a woman to put her hair up in fancy hair doos?
But wait you need to check the meaning of the word "not" again. this particular word does not mean "not ever" it means that those things should not be the how a women is to show holiness. It does not mean she cannot wear it. I don't say this for you though I am not trying to change your mind or any other persons mind. But just getting the children of God to quit taking everything said as the word of God but to seek out their own salvation with fear and tembling.
Some times you have to read deeper than the first word of a definition.
I think you forgot that he's right and everyone else is wrong.
And he doesn't care what I think because he believes he's an authority over me since he's a man and I'm a woman (he uses 1 Cor 11 to prove this). I'm puzzled as to why he ever started discussing it with me in the first place!!
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See I know where he is comming from. I was just like that 20+ years ago. I add the plus because time gets away form me. LOL You see God brought me to a stopping place where I had to take another look at things. I beleive God does this with everyone at several points in our lives. Whether we slow down enough to get what God is showing us is the question. The point is, God got my attention and I got into the word. Understand I was not trying to prove anything was wrong, I wanted to prove to myself what I preached was right. I had to conced I was wrong. I still did not change the things I preach for many years but I did change the way I preached them. So I have learned from God not to be confrontational but to put the scripture out there and let God do the work.
Some times it may take some time.
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See I know where he is comming from. I was just like that 20+ years ago. I add the plus because time gets away form me. LOL You see God brought me to a stopping place where I had to take another look at things. I beleive God does this with everyone at several points in our lives. Whether we slow down enough to get what God is showing us is the question. The point is, God got my attention and I got into the word. Understand I was not trying to prove anything was wrong, I wanted to prove to myself what I preached was right. I had to conced I was wrong. I still did not change the things I preach for many years but I did change the way I preached them. So I have learned from God not to be confrontational but to put the scripture out there and let God do the work.
Some times it may take some time.
Well, what's so funny is that I've been doing the same thing for several years now & am now thoroughly convinced that what we teach is right. I wanted to make sure that I wasn't teaching something wrong, as I would have to give an account if I do. I can honestly say that, according to His Word, God is against the literal adornments of jewelry by his people. By the way, who was the 1st one to wear "jewels"...while your in Ezek., perhaps you should quote that also.
Wedding rings are steeped in pagan tradition, & the practice was made a law by Pope Innocent III. Won't take the time here, but it's terribly pagan. And no, we don't wear watches either...before you ask. I, personally, do not like a neckties, but I see nothing wrong w/ a conservative tie, as part of a modest suit. The Bible only addresses "costly/modest apparel"...neither of which meager a necktie violates, but again, I personally don't care for them.
... I, personally, do not like a neckties, but I see nothing wrong w/ a conservative tie, as part of a modest suit. The Bible only addresses "costly/modest apparel"...neither of which meager a necktie violates, but again, I personally don't care for them.
Actually, a necktie or a scarf (unless it is a heavy duty muffler to keep the neck and throat warm) are both just a cloth necklace.
I haven't bought any neckties lately but some of the last ones I bought were more expensive than the shirts that I wore them with.
Wouldn't the styles at GC and most of our district functions qualify as "costly array"?
Well, what's so funny is that I've been doing the same thing for several years now & am now thoroughly convinced that what we teach is right. I wanted to make sure that I wasn't teaching something wrong, as I would have to give an account if I do. I can honestly say that, according to His Word, God is against the literal adornments of jewelry by his people. By the way, who was the 1st one to wear "jewels"...while your in Ezek., perhaps you should quote that also.
Wedding rings are steeped in pagan tradition, & the practice was made a law by Pope Innocent III. Won't take the time here, but it's terribly pagan. And no, we don't wear watches either...before you ask. I, personally, do not like a neckties, but I see nothing wrong w/ a conservative tie, as part of a modest suit. The Bible only addresses "costly/modest apparel"...neither of which meager a necktie violates, but again, I personally don't care for them.
Wrong.
1Pe 3:3
Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
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Well, what's so funny is that I've been doing the same thing for several years now & am now thoroughly convinced that what we teach is right. I wanted to make sure that I wasn't teaching something wrong, as I would have to give an account if I do. I can honestly say that, according to His Word, God is against the literal adornments of jewelry by his people. By the way, who was the 1st one to wear "jewels"...while your in Ezek., perhaps you should quote that also.
Wedding rings are steeped in pagan tradition, & the practice was made a law by Pope Innocent III. Won't take the time here, but it's terribly pagan. And no, we don't wear watches either...before you ask. I, personally, do not like a neckties, but I see nothing wrong w/ a conservative tie, as part of a modest suit. The Bible only addresses "costly/modest apparel"...neither of which meager a necktie violates, but again, I personally don't care for them.
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Keep studing, the Pharisee thought they were right in their teachings too. And in a way they were. But Jesus came and gave them a different perspective. They were looking for salvation (ie eternal life) in the scriptures, But Jesus told them the scriptures spoke of him. This is the differance Im looking to find Jesus, not eternal life. For is I find Jesus I will find eternal life.
You refer to Satan in Ezekial, again where did he get jewels? He did not get them on his own. God created him that way. You make it sound like God does not want us to have nice things. But God said seek me first and all these things shall be added to you.
As for paganism and tradition. many of the things we celibrate are steeped in paganism etc. The point is God gave Isreal Cannan but took it away when she sinned. was Cannan a sin? Same differance God gave Isreal jewlery and took it away when she sinned. this did not make it (jewlery sin)!!!!!!!
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And I suppose that this demonstrates "good spirit"
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
I think you forgot that he's right and everyone else is wrong.
And he doesn't care what I think because he believes he's an authority over me since he's a man and I'm a woman (he uses 1 Cor 11 to prove this). I'm puzzled as to why he ever started discussing it with me in the first place!!
Regarding I Cor. 11, it was brought up on the thread regarding women "preachers". And????????????? This passage is discussing headship & lineage, & not one single reputable transaltion adopts this as "Husband" & "Wife". "The head of Christ is God." Tell me Heavenlyone, is that also dicussing the "Marriage Life"? No, it discusses order & lineage....not husband & wife.
Funny, how you can demonstrate an uncharitable spirit, as in your 1st statement above, then deride me for putting the ball back in your court! Seems to me someone can dish it out, but.................
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