Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

HeavenlyOne · #1 10-19-2009, 11:23 AM

Derech, thanks for the posts you have apparently worked hard on.

But let me ask a question or three.

Do you wear a watch or wedding band?

Do you wear neckties?

I don't believe Peter was saying that outward ornamentation should be shunned, but that we shouldn't be known by what we wear, whether it's jewelry, clothing, or how we fix our hair. It doesn't mean we shouldn't wear jewelry, clothing, or fix our hair, does it?

Nowhere in scripture is jewelry prohibited. In fact, God adorned His people several times with jewelry.

You mentioned a verse above in Revelation that speaks about a woman dressed in purple and scarlet wearing jewelry and holding a golden cup. Why do we focus on the jewelry but not her wearing purple and scarlet?

In Ezekiel 7, the people were stripped of even their clothing and made to put on sackcloth. Yet we don't preach that wearing clothing is a sin, right?

God punished people for their attitudes, not what they were wearing. However, He took their possessions, even their clothing and jewels, as part of their punishment. He didn't take them because they were being worn at all.

In the Bible, jewelry was a sign of beauty. Solomon wrote several times about it, in addition to other writers. God even states how He adorned His people with jewels. When God took that away, He took their beauty away. Their possessions made them vain, and their attitudes were haughty. THAT is the issue. I cannot find any scripture where anyone was punished merely because they were wearing jewelry. Even in the context of the scriptures you post above, it was attitudes that cost the people their possessions, not having them at all.

But I do like how you laid it out, even if I disagree. And some points I happen to agree with.

DerechHashem · #2 10-19-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Derech, thanks for the posts you have apparently worked hard on.

But let me ask a question or three.

Do you wear a watch or wedding band?

Do you wear neckties?

I don't believe Peter was saying that outward ornamentation should be shunned, but that we shouldn't be known by what we wear, whether it's jewelry, clothing, or how we fix our hair. It doesn't mean we shouldn't wear jewelry, clothing, or fix our hair, does it?

Nowhere in scripture is jewelry prohibited. In fact, God adorned His people several times with jewelry.

You mentioned a verse above in Revelation that speaks about a woman dressed in purple and scarlet wearing jewelry and holding a golden cup. Why do we focus on the jewelry but not her wearing purple and scarlet?

In Ezekiel 7, the people were stripped of even their clothing and made to put on sackcloth. Yet we don't preach that wearing clothing is a sin, right?

God punished people for their attitudes, not what they were wearing. However, He took their possessions, even their clothing and jewels, as part of their punishment. He didn't take them because they were being worn at all.

In the Bible, jewelry was a sign of beauty. Solomon wrote several times about it, in addition to other writers. God even states how He adorned His people with jewels. When God took that away, He took their beauty away. Their possessions made them vain, and their attitudes were haughty. THAT is the issue. I cannot find any scripture where anyone was punished merely because they were wearing jewelry. Even in the context of the scriptures you post above, it was attitudes that cost the people their possessions, not having them at all.

But I do like how you laid it out, even if I disagree. And some points I happen to agree with.

I have a pocket watch, and the only necklace is my medical alert necklace, that is the only jewelry I wear, I did have a wedding ring at my wedding but the wife and I have them in resin and they sit upon her desk.

At work when I am in the field I must wear a necktie, it is regulation if I wish to retain my Job (scope of employment) I am a federal Officer. At work I do not wear one, they wish I did, but it is not required, and the union protects that right.

In Revelation I focused on jewelry because this is the theme of the thread, at the end of my thread you will notice I did mention clothing. I did not want to sway away from the topic.

And thank you for your post, and the warm fuzzies, fuzzies are cool.

HeavenlyOne · #3 10-19-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DerechHashem

I have a pocket watch, and the only necklace is my medical alert necklace, that is the only jewelry I wear, I did have a wedding ring at my wedding but the wife and I have them in resin and they sit upon her desk.

At work when I am in the field I must wear a necktie, it is regulation if I wish to retain my Job (scope of employment) I am a federal Officer. At work I do not wear one, they wish I did, but it is not required, and the union protects that right.

In Revelation I focused on jewelry because this is the theme of the thread, at the end of my thread you will notice I did mention clothing. I did not want to sway away from the topic.

And thank you for your post, and the warm fuzzies, fuzzies are cool.

I implore you, regardless of what the Bible says, to wear your medic alert necklace!!

Are your rings set in something like a paperweight? I've never seen that, but it sounds cool.

I think that most men would rather not wear a necktie. My point was that neckties are merely ornamentation, as jewelry also is.

Thanks for the answers though. And good thing warm fuzzies aren't against the Bible! LOL!

DerechHashem · #4 10-19-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

I implore you, regardless of what the Bible says, to wear your medic alert necklace!!

Are your rings set in something like a paperweight? I've never seen that, but it sounds cool.

I think that most men would rather not wear a necktie. My point was that neckties are merely ornamentation, as jewelry also is.

Thanks for the answers though. And good thing warm fuzzies aren't against the Bible! LOL!

Ya she had them put in resin then it sits on a lit base and spins slowly, it is kinda cute when its the only thing lit on her desk.

Behind the rings is a portrait of my wife and I on each side of her mother in the hospital, she was terminal with cancer, so the wife and I were married at her bedside, it gave her mother alot of comfort before she passed, she passed a day later.

*AQuietPlace* · #5 10-19-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DerechHashem

Ya she had them put in resin then it sits on a lit base and spins slowly, it is kinda cute when its the only thing lit on her desk.

Behind the rings is a portrait of my wife and I on each side of her mother in the hospital, she was terminal with cancer, so the wife and I were married at her bedside, it gave her mother alot of comfort before she passed, she passed a day later.

That is a really neat idea!

(I also appreciate your posting spirit.

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HeavenlyOne · #6 10-19-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DerechHashem

Ya she had them put in resin then it sits on a lit base and spins slowly, it is kinda cute when its the only thing lit on her desk.

Behind the rings is a portrait of my wife and I on each side of her mother in the hospital, she was terminal with cancer, so the wife and I were married at her bedside, it gave her mother alot of comfort before she passed, she passed a day later.

That is a very touching story. Thanks for sharing.

RandyWayne · #7 10-19-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DerechHashem

I have a pocket watch, and the only necklace is my medical alert necklace, that is the only jewelry I wear, I did have a wedding ring at my wedding but the wife and I have them in resin and they sit upon her desk.

At work when I am in the field I must wear a necktie, it is regulation if I wish to retain my Job (scope of employment) I am a federal Officer. At work I do not wear one, they wish I did, but it is not required, and the union protects that right.

In Revelation I focused on jewelry because this is the theme of the thread, at the end of my thread you will notice I did mention clothing. I did not want to sway away from the topic.

And thank you for your post, and the warm fuzzies, fuzzies are cool.

I am usually on the near-militant side of believing that a wedding ring is not only honorable but almost required.

But.... I really like the idea of displaying the wedding bands in a shiny spinning ornament on a desk. Kudos for your creativity!

DerechHashem · #8 10-19-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I am usually on the near-militant side of believing that a wedding ring is not only honorable but almost required.

But.... I really like the idea of displaying the wedding bands in a shiny spinning ornament on a desk. Kudos for your creativity!

I must confess, my wife is the one with the creative touch. But thank you for the compliment, I will pass it on.