Isaiah 3 and jewelry...

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rdp

.....the verse in question is Ezek. 16, where God says that He covered Jerusalem w/ His "skirt." Should we then interpret this to mean that He literally "covered" the entire city in His "skirt"....& then put a "nose-ring" in the city of Jerusalem's nose?!?!?

Clearly, the passages employed by jewelry advocates are to be understood as figures of speech reflecting the beauty [as the jewels] of God's Mercy, & not in any way endorsing personal ornamentation.

Jesus wept and said, "O Jerusalem. Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee..." He was not implying that the houses, shops, streets, etc had physically done this but the people of the city. The same way I could say that Cincinnati is playing Chicago this Sunday in the Bengals stadium. The Carew Tower and the Ohio River and Main Street are not playing against the Sears Tower, Lake Michigan, and Maxwell Street but people are playing against people. YHWH was not talking in Ezekiel 16 about the buildings, streets and rocks but about the people. So we agree there.

However, YHWH said that He had decked out His child bride in nose rings, clothing, etc. Yes, there may have been spiritual meanings for each of those items, but if the nose rings and clothing were sinful or wrong He would not have used them in a pictorial way. He was actually saying that literal nose rings and clothing were acceptable adornment for His people and He was using them in a figurative way. He used adultlery/fornication/whoredom in a figurative way to depict their sin because adultery/fornication/whoredom are sinful literally also.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sam

Jesus wept and said, "O Jerusalem. Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee..." He was not implying that the houses, shops, streets, etc had physically done this but the people of the city. The same way I could say that Cincinnati is playing Chicago this Sunday in the Bengals stadium. The Carew Tower and the Ohio River and Main Street are not playing against the Sears Tower, Lake Michigan, and Maxwell Street but people are playing against people. YHWH was not talking in Ezekiel 16 about the buildings, streets and rocks but about the people. So we agree there.

However, YHWH said that He had decked out His child bride in nose rings, clothing, etc. Yes, there may have been spiritual meanings for each of those items, but if the nose rings and clothing were sinful or wrong He would not have used them in a pictorial way. He was actually saying that literal nose rings and clothing were acceptable adornment for His people and He was using them in a figurative way. He used adultlery/fornication/whoredom in a figurative way to depict their sin because adultery/fornication/whoredom are sinful literally also.

Now we're getting somewhere. He also used jewelry in a whorish context [Jer. 4:30] to depict their adulterous ways. Will you be consistent & apply the same hermeneutic to this verse as you do Ezek. 16?

So, based upon your interpretation of Ezek. 16, would you have a problem w/ your Pastor wearing a nose-ring, & "skirt," then "covering" the congregation in it Sun. morning? Get honest..............

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rdp

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So, based upon your interpretation of Ezek. 16, would you have a problem w/ your Pastor wearing a nose-ring, & "skirt," then "covering" the congregation in it Sun. morning? Get honest..............

I have no problems with pastors wearing earrings.
I went to a church from 1992 until 2006 where at least two of the male pastors had an earring.

I do not go to that church any more but a while back one of the lady pastors told about conducting a funeral for someone and later a letter was written to the senior pastor by someone who was at the funeral. The person did not like it that the lady pastor had spiked hair and a nose piercing. The person righteously asked, "Is that the image of your church you want to present?" The senior pastor wrote back and said, "Yes, that is the image we as a church wish to present" and went on to state that he had recently purchased a nose piercing ornament" for one of his daughters for her birthday.

Women do not have to have on jewelry and makeup to commit adultery. There have been plenty of our ladies wearing long dresses, wearing no make up or jewelry and having long hair who have sweat the sheets with Apostolic preachers.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sam

I have no problems with pastors wearing earrings.
I went to a church from 1992 until 2006 where at least two of the male pastors had an earring.

I do not go to that church any more but a while back one of the lady pastors told about conducting a funeral for someone and later a letter was written to the senior pastor by someone who was at the funeral. The person did not like it that the lady pastor had spiked hair and a nose piercing. The person righteously asked, "Is that the image of your church you want to present?" The senior pastor wrote back and said, "Yes, that is the image we as a church wish to present" and went on to state that he had recently purchased a nose piercing ornament" for one of his daughters for her birthday.

Women do not have to have on jewelry and makeup to commit adultery. There have been plenty of our ladies wearing long dresses, wearing no make up or jewelry and having long hair who have sweat the sheets with Apostolic preachers.

"Pastors" w/ earrings, "lady pastors," spiked hair, nose rings,......this is not even worthy of rebuttal it's soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo far from Biblical holiness principles.

I'm finished w/ this......going on to honest folks................

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by rdp

"Pastors" w/ earrings, "lady pastors," spiked hair, nose rings,......this is not even worthy of rebuttal it's soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo far from Biblical holiness principles.

I'm finished w/ this......going on to honest folks................

I've seen that before

[DerechHashem]

It's remarkable how people try to justify there need for jewelry. Looking for legal loopholes to hoop earings. It would be simple just to keep it simple. Simple?

Your hearts know the truth.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by DerechHashem

It's remarkable how people try to justify there need for jewelry. Looking for legal loopholes to hoop earings. It would be simple just to keep it simple. Simple?

Your hearts know the truth.

It's remarkable how they are condemned. Before their own master they stand or fall. Sounds simple to me?

[noeticknight]

Originally Posted by DerechHashem

It's remarkable how people try to justify there need for jewelry. Looking for legal loopholes to hoop earings. It would be simple just to keep it simple. Simple?

Your hearts know the truth.

It is amazing how people will go to great lengths to attack principle-minded thinking. It tends to lead the mind and heart into uncharted waters where grown-up, mature Christians live, and that is unsettling for some.
Some really great points have already been brought up, but I will ask those that adhere to doctrines condemning jewelry the following questions, if they care to answer:

1. Is jewelry inherently evil? If so, how?

2. Does the Bible teach us spiritual principles, or have we lost the rest of the list of “do’s” and “don’ts”?

3. Is it our duty, or an organization’s duty, to determine the intent of the heart regarding a Christian’s dress preference or their personal style of apparel?

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by DerechHashem

It's remarkable how people try to justify there need for jewelry. Looking for legal loopholes to hoop earings. It would be simple just to keep it simple. Simple?

Your hearts know the truth.

To say people are justifing their need for jewlery is unjust. Actualy the opposite is true those that take scripture out of context to preach against something they themselves have a problem with and then judge those that don't see eye to eye with them is more the case.

Romans 14 is a case in point that every one that calles himself or herself a Christian should do a deep study on. Although Paul uses food as the primary example of conflicts between weak and strong Christians, the princliple applies to many other areas in the live of Christians. That fact is one has more scripture to preach against certain foods than then they do jewlery, pants on women, make up, etc. yet we don't hear preachers preaching against over indulgance of food as a standard of holiness. Not when most Pentecostal preachers can't belt their gut because they don't push away from the table soon enough.

The point is we do not twist scripture to justify anything. We properly understand what the word is saying and put our hearts into being Christian to the world and spreading the grace of God, instead of the judgements of man.

And yes my heart knows the truth and God is my judge not man.

God Bless and may the blessings of God be poured upon your life.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by DerechHashem

It's remarkable how people try to justify there need for jewelry. Looking for legal loopholes to hoop earings. It would be simple just to keep it simple. Simple?

Your hearts know the truth.

Amen. At this point it's just amusing, yet also very sad.

Good posts.