Obama halloween. Healthy version

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The fallacy is that people who object to having their money TAKEN away and given to others is that they are personally uncharitable.

I want to CHOOSE who gets my money. That doesn't mean I won't give it, and give it generously.

Welfare needs to be reformed, and YES, it needs to be heavily regulated so that only those who are in desperate need get the funds. I worked nights at a grocery store when I was in my early 20's, and I remember how many groceries people on welfare and food stamps could buy. I was shocked, because with my husband and I both working, we were living on beans, rice, pasta, etc. These people were buying junk food, expensive cuts of meat, etc. Coming through with 2, even 3 buggies full of food was common.

I'm not opposed to public assistance for needy families, but it needs to be stringently supervised and limited.

The argument is not that christians don't want to give. It's that they have not shown on a whole that their giving can sustain all or even most of the poor in this country. If that is ever done then we won't need those programs, or at least they will take a small fraction of the money they take now.

I agree that the system needs reformed. Actually I think the problem is that there is a system. Any system can be worked for an individuals benefit. More restrictions usually just cut out many of the people that really need those programs while those that can work the system find ways to stay in them.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The argument is not that christians don't want to give. It's that they have not shown on a whole that their giving can sustain all or even most of the poor in this country. If that is ever done then we won't need those programs, or at least they will take a small fraction of the money they take now.

I agree that the system needs reformed. Actually I think the problem is that there is a system. Any system can be worked for an individuals benefit. More restrictions usually just cut out many of the people that really need those programs while those that can work the system find ways to stay in them.

I also wanted to add, that even in church programs for giving to the needy... they can be abused also. I'm sure if churches took the place of the government in giving to the needy many of the same charges could be brought against there programs. Though, since they are closer to the grassroots level maybe they could actually judge by more than paperwork who was really needy, unlike the government.