Sure, it was their pride and haughtiness that caused the problem. Not the specific items they wore. To be consistent, if DB is going to use this as support for "well set hair" or to show that baldness is a shame to women, he needs to show support for every other item in those verses as well, which show the contrast between beauty and shame.
I'm not really trying to use scripture to "support" wearing your hair up--I just thought the definition was surprising. I posted it more in fun than anything else.
Personally, I think that wearing your hair down is the best fit for I Corinthians, if your hair is supposed to be like a "mantle" thrown about your shoulders, or I think there's another spot where the meaning is "long tresses of hair."
The whole passage contrasts beauty with shame, and God takes away the things that made them beautiful, things He had given them, which in turn brings them shame. (Which would be an endorsement of their use, IMO--since these things were given to them by God, even allegorically speaking).
I know you don't believe scripture teaches that jewelry, nice hair and nice clothing are wrong, Renda, so I'm not sure I understand your comments entirely.
I'm trying to say exactly what you just said here.......it's inconsistent to pick and choose out of that scripture (what DB has done). And I agree with everything you just said in this post.
It's the attitude - - if I cut my hair and wear earrings and act all haughty and proud that I do it - that's bad. If in my past, when I wore my hair up would have walked around all proud of my "look" - that's bad.
Yes - I agree that scripture DOES support all that those scriptures state - God loves beauty.....he created it. He spends too much time talking about preparing ourselves and wearing those push up bras for us to doubt how he feels about it.
I'm sorry I've confused you - just can't get it out right.
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I'm trying to say exactly what you just said here.......it's inconsistent to pick and choose out of that scripture (what DB has done). And I agree with everything you just said in this post.
It's the attitude - - if I cut my hair and wear earrings and act all haughty and proud that I do it - that's bad. If in my past, when I wore my hair up would have walked around all proud of my "look" - that's bad.
Yes - I agree that scripture DOES support all that those scriptures state - God loves beauty.....he created it. He spends too much time talking about preparing ourselves and wearing those push up bras for us to doubt how he feels about it.
I'm sorry I've confused you - just can't get it out right.
Okay, thanks. It sounded like you were making a stand against jewelry for a second. LOL!!!!!
I think we agree, and I agree that the scripture is lifted from the passage and inconsistently applied to support one doctrine, while the rest is completely ignored in logical opposition to other doctrines.
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Okay, thanks. It sounded like you were making a stand against jewelry for a second. LOL!!!!!
I think we agree, and I agree that the scripture is lifted from the passage and inconsistently applied to support one doctrine, while the rest is completely ignored in logical opposition to other doctrines.
Yep.
This is really going to whack out a few. I'm still very modest even though I don't hold to the traditional Pentecostal standards. I wear earrings, but not huge attention getting ones. If I know that I'll be around someone that it might offend, I won't even wear them. It doesn't matter than much to me.
However, I have been around others that LOVE to push it in someone's face that they now wear things they didn't before. They'll put on the largest pair of earrings to make a point or wear the brightest red lipstick.
I think that is wrong.
Does that make more sense?
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This is really going to whack out a few. I'm still very modest even though I don't hold to the traditional Pentecostal standards. I wear earrings, but not huge attention getting ones. If I know that I'll be around someone that it might offend, I won't even wear them. It doesn't matter than much to me.
However, I have been around others that LOVE to push it in someone's face that they now wear things they didn't before. They'll put on the largest pair of earrings to make a point or wear the brightest red lipstick.
I think that is wrong.
Does that make more sense?
Yes...I can think of someone I know who does that, and it's just plain annoying. I really don't even CARE, but she cares that I notice.
So you're marking the difference between those who wear pretty things, and those who wear pretty things and have an attitude because of it. Got it!
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
This is really going to whack out a few. I'm still very modest even though I don't hold to the traditional Pentecostal standards. I wear earrings, but not huge attention getting ones. If I know that I'll be around someone that it might offend, I won't even wear them. It doesn't matter than much to me.
However, I have been around others that LOVE to push it in someone's face that they now wear things they didn't before. They'll put on the largest pair of earrings to make a point or wear the brightest red lipstick.
I think that is wrong.
Does that make more sense?
Of course, pictures don't lie, do they?
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Yes - I agree that scripture DOES support all that those scriptures state - God loves beauty.....he created it. He spends too much time talking about preparing ourselves and wearing those push up bras for us to doubt how he feels about it.