Only 2 types of tongues not 3

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, Paul does say that they don't all speak with the gift of tongues, which is coupled with interpretation. I only separate that from the tongues you have received with the initial infilling of the Holy Ghost and, IMO, that is where your personal edification and prayer comes from. I view that as separate or a different mode of operation from the "spiritual gifts" that are used to edify the church.

Everyone that has been filled with the Holy Ghost has a prayer. That is separate from the spiritual gifts.

Paul does instruct the church to "desire" spiritual gifts. That is a strong and passionate word! It means to be "jealous", "zealous" and "covet earnestly".

So, IMO, just because he says that not everyone has the "gift of tongues", he goes on in I Cor 14:1 to admonish and instruct them to seek after those gifts that are lacking your life!

IMO, it would be erroneous and unfortunate to settle, rest and be satisfied that some do not speak in tongues.

You cannot prove what is bolded scripturally without quoting passages that must be attributed to being about the gift of tongues.

Your idea that it is only the gift of tongues when there is interpretation fails because 1 Corinthians 14:2 is about the gift of tongues. He is comparing it to prohecy (another spiritual gift) and further in verse one he even says he is speaking about spiritual gifts.

EDIT: I wanted to note again that I am not saying those filled with the Holy Ghost do not all speak in tongues, only that a private prayer language carrying over from that cannot be found in the bible.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

You cannot prove what is bolded scripturally without quoting passages that must be attributed to being about the gift of tongues.

Your idea that it is only the gift of tongues when there is interpretation fails because 1 Corinthians 14:2 is about the gift of tongues. He is comparing it to prohecy (another spiritual gift) and further in verse one he even says he is speaking about spiritual gifts.

EDIT: I wanted to note again that I am not saying those filled with the Holy Ghost do not all speak in tongues, only that a private prayer language carrying over from that cannot be found in the bible.

Everyone that has been filled with the Holy Ghost has a prayer. That is separate from the spiritual gifts.

Paul says that he speaks in tongues more than all in I Cor 14:8. He says that is "praying in the spirit" (I Cor 14:14). He instructs us in Jude 1:20 to build up ourselves and our faith by praying in the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:26 says that the Spirit helps our infirmities (weakness) making intercession for us with groanings that cannot be uttered.

I maintain that "praying in the spirit" and with "groanings which cannot be uttered" are both a work and operation of the Spirit.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Paul says that he speaks in tongues more than all in I Cor 14:8. He says that is "praying in the spirit" (I Cor 14:14). He instructs us in Jude 1:20 to build up ourselves and our faith by praying in the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:26 says that the Spirit helps our infirmities (weakness) making intercession for us with groanings that cannot be uttered.

I maintain that "praying in the spirit" and with "groanings which cannot be uttered" are both a work and operation of the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 14:14 is about the gift of tongues. He is using the "For if I pray in an unknown tongue..." as an example of why there should be interpretation. Read verses 14:13-17 with this in mind. They will make sense.

Jude 1:20 is about praying in the spirit. This does not necessarily mean tongues.

Romans 8:26 uses the phrase groanings that cannot be uttered This cannot be referring to tongues because tongues are uttered.

EDIT: Most of these points I have made much more indepthly in my previous posts with mfblume.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by jfrog

1 Corinthians 14:14 is about the gift of tongues. He is using the "For if I pray in an unknown tongue..." as an example of why there should be interpretation. Read verses 14:13-17 with this in mind. They will make sense.

Jude 1:20 is about praying in the spirit. This does not necessarily mean tongues.

Romans 8:26 uses the phrase groanings that cannot be uttered This cannot be referring to tongues because tongues are uttered.

You are missing, I think, the point that Paul is addressing more elements than only the spiritual gifts. He is specifically speaking of self-edification in I Cor 14:2;4. That means that it takes place. He also says in I Cor 14:39-40 not to forbid speaking in tongues, just do everything in order.

You can't prove that Jude 1:20 is not including tongues, either.

I didn't say that the groanings were speaking in tongues. I'm saying that in our private prayer or self-edification, we can have both.