Milk or Meat Sermons?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by noeticknight

I agree with you, but the bolded portion reminds me more of Colossians 2:21, which, incidentally, tastes like gerber to me.

It sounds more to me like......1 Cor 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

[kjhouk]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

It sounds more to me like......1 Cor 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

If I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that being a Christian precludes you from eating and drinking somethings because we should do all to the glory of God.

Oddly enough, Paul is talking about eating and drinking things that some people think you SHOULDN'T eat or drink and saying that you CAN eat/drink those things ... couple it with Romans 14 and Colossians 2:16 and you have a much different picture that what you seem to be painting.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by kjhouk

If I'm reading you correctly, you're saying that being a Christian precludes you from eating and drinking somethings because we should do all to the glory of God.

Oddly enough, Paul is talking about eating and drinking things that some people think you SHOULDN'T eat or drink and saying that you CAN eat/drink those things ... couple it with Romans 14 and Colossians 2:16 and you have a much different picture that what you seem to be painting.

You'll have to explain yourself a little better for me to answer this. I don't know what you are talking about and I think you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying as well.

As Christians we are at liberty to eat anything we want to eat because we give thanks to God for it, even food offered to an idol, but we are not at liberty to eat if we damage a weaker Christian's conscience (someone Christ died for). Therefore whatever we do (which includes what we eat) we should do it that God will be glorified.

[kjhouk]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

You'll have to explain yourself a little better for me to answer this. I don't know what you are talking about and I think you may be misunderstanding what I'm saying as well.

As Christians we are at liberty to eat anything we want to eat because we give thanks to God for it, even food offered to an idol, but we are not at liberty to eat if we damage a weaker Christian's conscience (someone Christ died for). Therefore whatever we do (which includes what we eat) we should do it that God will be glorified.

So we have liberty but we don't have liberty?

I personally think a lot of damage has been done by appealing to the "weaker Christian" argument. From what I understand of Paul's writing, he seems to say that the liberty remains, but we sometimes suspend our liberty for the good of a fellow Christian, while in their presence, to not tempt them to violate their conscience. BUT at the same time, good teaching should bring those weaker Christians to a more mature position where they are also able to enjoy liberty in what they eat, drink, and which days they celebrate.

In our zeal to not offend the weaker, we fail to challenge and teach them toward maturity.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by kjhouk

So we have liberty but we don't have liberty?

I personally think a lot of damage has been done by appealing to the "weaker Christian" argument. From what I understand of Paul's writing, he seems to say that the liberty remains, but we sometimes suspend our liberty for the good of a fellow Christian, while in their presence, to not tempt them to violate their conscience. BUT at the same time, good teaching should bring those weaker Christians to a more mature position where they are also able to enjoy liberty in what they eat, drink, and which days they celebrate.

In our zeal to not offend the weaker, we fail to challenge and teach them toward maturity.

I like how you put that.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by kjhouk

So we have liberty but we don't have liberty?

I personally think a lot of damage has been done by appealing to the "weaker Christian" argument. From what I understand of Paul's writing, he seems to say that the liberty remains, but we sometimes suspend our liberty for the good of a fellow Christian, while in their presence, to not tempt them to violate their conscience. BUT at the same time, good teaching should bring those weaker Christians to a more mature position where they are also able to enjoy liberty in what they eat, drink, and which days they celebrate.

In our zeal to not offend the weaker, we fail to challenge and teach them toward maturity.

Yeah, blame it on the apostle Paul.