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10-31-2009, 08:25 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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Making poor decisions does not make us unrighteous, but anyone can see that poor choices can affect future behaviors. Lot DID eventually enter into disobedience because of his poor decisions.
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And I would go so far as to say he became unrighteous. Would you agree?
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10-31-2009, 08:41 PM
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>>Primitive Pentecostal<<
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
Making poor decisions does not make us unrighteous, but anyone can see that poor choices can affect future behaviors. Lot DID eventually enter into disobedience because of his poor decisions.
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And I would go so far as to say he became unrighteous. Would you agree?
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Absolutely.
However, I will say that I believe one can commit unrighteous acts and still be declared righteous by God (justification).
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10-31-2009, 08:46 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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Absolutely.
However, I will say that I believe one can commit unrighteous acts and still be declared righteous by God (justification).
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Would they first have to repent of those unrighteous acts to be justified by God?
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10-31-2009, 08:57 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
Absolutely.
However, I will say that I believe one can commit unrighteous acts and still be declared righteous by God (justification).
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Would they first have to repent of those unrighteous acts to be justified by God?
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I don't know.
What if, while driving, you maliciously curse someone, only to be ran over by a truck in the next instant? No opportunity for repentance.
Does God consider you unrighteous? Are you lost forever?
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10-31-2009, 09:00 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
I don't know.
What if, while driving, you maliciously curse someone, only to be ran over by a truck in the next instant? No opportunity for repentance.
Does God consider you unrighteous? Are you lost forever?
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I hope not because if God returns during rush hour heaven will be a lonely place.
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10-31-2009, 09:05 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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Originally Posted by Edward Anglin
I don't know.
What if, while driving, you maliciously curse someone, only to be ran over by a truck in the next instant? No opportunity for repentance.
Does God consider you unrighteous? Are you lost forever?
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All I know is we will all be judged according to the things we did in this life. This includes thoughts, words, actions. Can we stand before God with unrepented sin and be declared right?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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10-31-2009, 09:09 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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All I know is we will all be judged according to the things we did in this life. This includes thoughts, words, actions. Can we stand before God with unrepented sin and be declared right?
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Yes. First, you assume that you know every time you sin. In the OT their were sacrifices for sins of ignorance, If Jesus fulfilled all then he is the sacrifice for sins committed in ignorance as well.
I reject the idea that I have to live perfectly to be declared righteous before God. I am righteous because he has declared me so, not because I can be righteous on my own.
And no that is not an excuse to sin.
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10-31-2009, 09:18 PM
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Re: Lot's Revelation of Grace
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
Yes. First, you assume that you know every time you sin. In the OT their were sacrifices for sins of ignorance, If Jesus fulfilled all then he is the sacrifice for sins committed in ignorance as well.
I reject the idea that I have to live perfectly to be declared righteous before God. I am righteous because he has declared me so, not because I can be righteous on my own.
And no that is not an excuse to sin.
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I'm not assuming I know every time I sin. But if I know I have sinned, then I must repent or I am not righteous. And God is gracious. He gives space to repent.
I reject the idea that you can knowingly sin and continue in sin and be declared righteous before God.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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