Your answer to illegal immigration.

Aquila · #1 11-02-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

I disagree. I wouldn't violate my values to pay my bills or even eat. I believe most people are like myself in that regard.

In this country, we have people that commit crimes with the excuse that they are poor. These people are punished and rightfully so. We don't give them a free pass due to their unfortunate circumstances. If we did, we'd all be living in constant fear. I know I would.

Sadly, we have people living without adequate food, water, or even heat in THIS country, however, hearing stories about criminal activity taking place due to those circumstances is rare.

We're not talking about a crime that robs another of life, liberty, or property. We're talking about people who jumped our fence to be free and have a chance at life.

Again... the only way to resolve the issue according to your paradigm is to turn America into a police state to catch them and deport them. I see that as unacceptable. Millions are here already and I don't want a police state that polices us all to catch them. I believe we do better to grant them citizenship, issue a fine, a first degree misdemeanor, and probation. If you're uncomfortable with prison after probation violation, we can put a felony on their record and fine them again. Or we could grant conditional citizenship and after probation violation round up provation violators. But again... a significant amount of policing the populance would be necessary.

coadie · #2 11-02-2009, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

We're not talking about a crime that robs another of life, liberty, or property. We're talking about people who jumped our fence to be free and have a chance at life.

Again... the only way to resolve the issue according to your paradigm is to turn America into a police state to catch them and deport them. I see that as unacceptable. Millions are here already and I don't want a police state that polices us all to catch them. I believe we do better to grant them citizenship, issue a fine, a first degree misdemeanor, and probation. If you're uncomfortable with prison after probation violation, we can put a felony on their record and fine them again. Or we could grant conditional citizenship and after probation violation round up provation violators. But again... a significant amount of policing the populance would be necessary.

The reason they want to justify abortion includes scarcity of resouerces and Americans pollute the planet. Why do you want more Illegals? Just to come here and increase polution.? Another hypocracy. The abortion ordeal tells us who the violnet perps are. And the same liberals want to legalize drugs. More violence.

coadie · #3 11-02-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

We're not talking about a crime that robs another of life, liberty, or property. We're talking about people who jumped our fence to be free and have a chance at life.

Again... the only way to resolve the issue according to your paradigm is to turn America into a police state to catch them and deport them. I see that as unacceptable. Millions are here already and I don't want a police state that polices us all to catch them. I believe we do better to grant them citizenship, issue a fine, a first degree misdemeanor, and probation. If you're uncomfortable with prison after probation violation, we can put a felony on their record and fine them again. Or we could grant conditional citizenship and after probation violation round up provation violators. But again... a significant amount of policing the populance would be necessary.

They are free on the other side of the fence. I have been to the other side of the fence many times. American banks are open on the other side of the fence. The Med School in Mexico city allows americans to attend. They can come here and practice. We have free trade. The Fence argument on your part is a red herring. How may times have you been on the other side of the fence?

My relatives have lived on the other side of this FENCE for many decades. It isn't about freedom from dictators. Don't pretend we offer freedom.

RevDWW · #4 11-02-2009, 11:22 AM

Si usted está en este país sin los papeles correctos, levante por favor su mano así que podemos conseguirle el transporte de nuevo a su país de orígen.

coadie · #5 11-02-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

Si usted está en este país sin los papeles correctos, levante por favor su mano así que podemos conseguirle el transporte de nuevo a su país de orígen.

If you are in this country without the correct papers, raises his hand please so we can secure the transport again to its country of origin.

RevDWW · #6 11-02-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by coadie

If you are in this country without the correct papers, raises his hand please so we can secure the transport again to its country of origin.

Si.

Esther · #7 11-02-2009, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

We're not talking about a crime that robs another of life, liberty, or property. We're talking about people who jumped our fence to be free and have a chance at life.

Again... the only way to resolve the issue according to your paradigm is to turn America into a police state to catch them and deport them. I see that as unacceptable. Millions are here already and I don't want a police state that polices us all to catch them. I believe we do better to grant them citizenship, issue a fine, a first degree misdemeanor, and probation. If you're uncomfortable with prison after probation violation, we can put a felony on their record and fine them again. Or we could grant conditional citizenship and after probation violation round up provation violators. But again... a significant amount of policing the populance would be necessary.

When did this become a crime?

Jumping our fences is a crime in case the two have become confusing.

And I don't believe we would have to become a police state to enforce our laws.

Aquila · #8 11-02-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

When did this become a crime?

Jumping our fences is a crime in case the two have become confusing.

And I don't believe we would have to become a police state to enforce our laws.

How do you suggest we find millions of illegal immigrants?

Esther · #9 11-02-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

How do you suggest we find millions of illegal immigrants?

When the police stop them for traffic stops, when they apply for a job without the proper creditials, when they try and rent/buy property, etc.

Aquila · #10 11-02-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

When the police stop them for traffic stops, when they apply for a job without the proper creditials, when they try and rent/buy property, etc.

Sounds easy doesn't it?

Illegals don't always get pulled over... but this might catch a few.

When Illegals seek a job it's typically private and under the table. Few would apply at the airport where I work because our background checks would catch them quickly. But some might be dumb enough to try to get a job that requires a back ground check... this might catch a few more.

Most of the time they don't buy houses, but land contract deals might catch a few. Most of the time the illegals I know rent from people who rent to them freely or rent to a legal party while the illegals stay with them.

What do you do to catch the millions more who are not rounded up? You've got a lot more work to do. How do you plan to do it?