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Old 04-21-2007, 09:02 PM
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I would not see the difference in selling liquour scented candles to a chocolate shop with "likkered-up" sweets or a booze shop. Since they are being sold, and since the business is for a profit- a sale is a sale. I would not take them in the liquor store, but would offer wholesale prices if the owner would pick them up.
That's a good point. They are liquor scented, so how is selling them in a liquor store going to be a bad witness?

I love candles. Soy ones are my favorite.
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Old 04-21-2007, 09:04 PM
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That's a good point. They are liquor scented, so how is selling them in a liquor store going to be a bad witness?

I love candles. Soy ones are my favorite.
I guess I just can't figure out why anyone who doesn't believe in liquor would want to make candles that are liquor scented. I don't mean any disrespect to P.O., but it just makes me curious as to why this was begun in the first place.
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Old 04-21-2007, 09:10 PM
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I guess I just can't figure out why anyone who doesn't believe in liquor would want to make candles that are liquor scented. I don't mean any disrespect to P.O., but it just makes me curious as to why this was begun in the first place.
I don't think that it's so much liquor scent that's promoted as the scent itself.

For instance, I love Amaretto, but until reading some posts in this thread, I had no idea it was a drink. Now that I know, I will still continue buying that scent because I like the scent.

I saw that she had some kind of wine scent, but some don't have a problem with wine....LOL!

I think a scent is a scent. I don't associate it to anything else. This is probably why I don't see it as a big deal.
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I don't think that it's so much liquor scent that's promoted as the scent itself.

For instance, I love Amaretto, but until reading some posts in this thread, I had no idea it was a drink. Now that I know, I will still continue buying that scent because I like the scent.

I saw that she had some kind of wine scent, but some don't have a problem with wine....LOL!

I think a scent is a scent. I don't associate it to anything else. This is probably why I don't see it as a big deal.
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Old 04-21-2007, 09:14 PM
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Old 04-21-2007, 09:36 PM
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I guess I just can't figure out why anyone who doesn't believe in liquor would want to make candles that are liquor scented. I don't mean any disrespect to P.O., but it just makes me curious as to why this was begun in the first place.
lol. You are absolutely right. The picture was gorgeous and I wanted to test the scent. I also ordered the Merlot Wine because I wanted to see how it smelled. It had too much cherry and so I decided to call a major liquor store to see what was up.

She said that not all Merlots have a cherry tasting base and it would all depend on varying growing circumstances, etc. Very interesting.

Anyway, she told me that she had smelled some liquor scented candles in Fredericksburg and since she also had a gift shop she would be happy to test any candles I had and would consider carrying them in her gift shop.

So, being the innovative entrepreneur that I am - I decided to think about it.

I am under no obligation to call her back. She will probably look into elsewhere if she doesn't hear from me since I put the bug in her ear.

I do agree, though, and only because my company name is The Alabaster Box. I just couldn't see placing them in her store. It would seem like an affront to my witness, especially being that I used to be a bartender. lol! Oh, precious is the flow......

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I guess I just can't figure out why anyone who doesn't believe in liquor would want to make candles that are liquor scented. I don't mean any disrespect to P.O., but it just makes me curious as to why this was begun in the first place.
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You know...I would think about the appearance of evil...isn't there enough markets to sell your candles than in a liquor store?

Just asking...Rhoni

P.S. Does it have to smell like liquor? What is that about?
Sis. Sherri, I guess us liberals have more standards than people give us credit for

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That's a good point. They are liquor scented, so how is selling them in a liquor store going to be a bad witness?

I love candles. Soy ones are my favorite.
HO,
I would like to address the soy issue, which is a bunch of propaganda.

Facts:

There is no such thing as a smoke and soot free candle.
It is about trimming your wick, avoiding drafts and not allowing your candle to smolder after extinguishing.

Soy has white smoke, which isn't as obvious - so much for a candle that is smoke free.

Paraffin is a naturally occurring non-toxic, non reactive solid which naturally exists in petroleum oil. Man does not artificially add or subtract atoms from the molecular chain to create paraffin.


It is refined from the light lubricating oil portion of petroleum and is separated from oil and distilled to remove any impurities or solvent residues, much like you would separate cream into butter.

Other naturally occurring substances related to paraffin are petroleum jelly and mineral oil, both of which have been widely and safely used in the medical, cosmetic and food industries for many many years.

Soy wax is very soft and soap like. It burns poorly in it's pure state. Adding paraffin stabilizes the alternative waxes to produce better quality candles.

You can't squeeze soybeans or palm kernels and make wax. These wax like substances are created by man via a process commonly known as hydrogenation.

These waxes are not simply extracted and separated from natural oils as the manufacturers would like you to believe. They are created by manipulating molecules into chemical chains that don't exist in nature, very similar to the way margarine is made.

Unlike paraffin which is essentially distilled from it's base oil, soy wax is created by manipulating the base oil into a new substance by forcefully attaching an extra hydrogen atom to the chemical chain. Palm and soy oils are hydrogenated at temperatures around 80 degrees Celsius.

Hydrogen is forced through the oil under extreme pressure along with reactive metals such as nickle, which are added as a catalyst to cause the molecular changes necessary to transform the oil into a "wax" like state.


Various solvents are then used to extract the reactive metal and unwanted byproducts from the wax.

Many candle makers represent these waxes as 100% natural alternatives to paraffin. What is in question here is the purity of the refining process and the levels and nature of impurities left in the wax. Especially a big concern about the palm wax production industry which is primarily comes out of Malaysia and is therefore not subject to US candle industry standards.

Very little is known about the properties and combustion by products of these so called "natural waxes".

A paraffin candle, whether scented or not, will primarily produce water vapor and carbon dioxide, the same harmless byproducts humans produce when exhaling.

Statement from the National Candle Association:

Is paraffin wax toxic?

No. Paraffin wax is non-toxic. In fact, paraffin is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for use in food, cosmetics, and medical applications. Food-grade paraffin is commonly used for manufacturing candles.


So much for the soy drama!
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While there are certain types of business I could do with someone who owned a liquor store, I would not want to display my products, or my business card in their establishment. If just one person ever went into a liquor store to buy my product and ended up picking up a bottle at the same time, and something happened from it--I would feel I had contributed. That take may not be right, but it is my take, and it is my conscience. I'd rather lose the sell than to do business in that fashion.
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