Holiday Wishes for Obama

[Newman]

Originally Posted by notofworks

So it wasn't the "content of his character?" You know, there are negative complainers that emerge from the woodwork to complain about every president, be it Reagan, Carter, Clinton....anyone. You're no different. Every president will have accusers (and of course, we know who the biblical "accuser" is, don't we?) and because he's the president, his character is an easy target for you.

His election has nothing to do with Dr. King's dream? I have the feeling that most all of the nation's African-American population would harshly disagree with you and unless you are African-American, you shouldn't make such a statement.

Your "similar background" remark sounds like Rush Limbaugh complaining about Donovan McNabb. He, deservedly, was fired, but I guess we can't fire you from here, can we?

1. No, his character is at issue because of his duplicity.

2. Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" was all about getting past skin color and judging people by who they are. Most people pulling the lever for Obama on election day knew very little about Obama thanks in part to the mainstream media's push for a "historic presidency" based on the color of his skin.

3. Why would I have to be a black American to make such statements? Your opening post spoke of Martin Luther King's Dream not the motivation of black Americans in voting for Obama.

4. My similar background statement displeases you? Pray tell me who ever ran on the Democratic or Republican ticket for president with less experience than Obama brought to the table?

Who has ever ran on the Democratic or Republican ticket for president with thugs and Marxists under every rock that is turned over?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Newman

1. No, his character is at issue because of his duplicity.

...in your opinion. You also have the choice to bless him and respect him as our leader. You obviously don't want to do that...unfortunately.

2. Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" was all about getting past skin color and judging people by who they are. Most people pulling the lever for Obama on election day knew very little about Obama thanks in part to the mainstream media's push for a "historic presidency" based on the color of his skin.

Like I said, there are almost no African American's who would agree with what you said after the first sentence, and since it is their skin and their life we're talking about, I'd say their opinion is significant. I find it ironic that you and other conservatives, can't admit that he was elected because of his appeal, character, and potential. It's pretty tough for some of you to give a black man credit, isn't it?

3. Why would I have to be a black American to make such statements? Your opening post spoke of Martin Luther King's Dream not the motivation of black Americans in voting for Obama.

I once expressed an opinion to an African-American doctor who said to me with great conviction, "Have you ever been thrown out of a restaurant because you were a n____?" He gave several other examples and said, "Until you've lived in my shoes, don't you dare tell me how I should think." I learned a great lesson from him. I'm saying that the black community would highly disagree with what you've said and I think that matters.

4. My similar background statement displeases you? Pray tell me who ever ran on the Democratic or Republican ticket for president with less experience than Obama brought to the table?

Most of our glorious founding fathers that you probably bow to had zero political experience. Furthermore, the original intent for our leaders was that they be everyday people that represented the public, not career politicians. It's funny...so many conservatives have cried bitter tears about "Career Politicians" but then, when a guy comes along who ISN'T one, you start crying about his lack of experience. Hypocrites.

Who has ever ran on the Democratic or Republican ticket for president with thugs and Marxists under every rock that is turned over?

Yes, and George W. Bush is the one that actually organized the 9-11 terrorists acts.

God bless America, and God bless President Barak Obama.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by notofworks

God bless America, and God bless President Barak Obama.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by notofworks

God bless America, and God bless President Barak Obama.

I don't respect one who has fraudulently taken office aided and abetted by Globalists, Marxists and Radical Islamics that hate America and the freedom and liberty it represents. I don't respect one who denies that America's greatness lies in having been shaped and defined by Judeo-Christian values.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Newman wrote/ Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" was all about getting past skin color and judging people by who they are. Most people pulling the lever for Obama on election day knew very little about Obama thanks in part to the mainstream media's push for a "historic presidency" based on the color of his skin.

notofworks responded/Like I said, there are almost no African American's who would agree with what you said after the first sentence, and since it is their skin and their life we're talking about, I'd say their opinion is significant. I find it ironic that you and other conservatives, can't admit that he was elected because of his appeal, character, and potential. It's pretty tough for some of you to give a black man credit, isn't it?

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I once expressed an opinion to an African-American doctor who said to me with great conviction, "Have you ever been thrown out of a restaurant because you were a n____?" He gave several other examples and said, "Until you've lived in my shoes, don't you dare tell me how I should think." I learned a great lesson from him. I'm saying that the black community would highly disagree with what you've said and I think that matters.

notofworks-

1. Approximately 8% of black Americans are not enthralled with the president.

2. I first got a clue about what Obama stood for when I read an article by Thomas Sowell, a black economist. He pleaded with America to look under the wrapper and not be dazzled by skin color. He said Obama had nothing to offer but an old failed message. He thought, one day, there would be a black man as president, but he was adamant that Obama was the wrong man. He admonished us to remember that the wrapper wasn't as important as the contents.

3. I don't deny that Obama was elected because of his appeal and charisma. But I do recognize that that wasn't enough to get him through the primaries with his paper thin resume had he not been black and backed by others who were clearing the playing field for him (a coalition of POWER BROKERS who wanted to fundamentally change America).

4. You better believe he was elected because of his potential. But potential to do what?

5. Obama's world view was shaped in his childhood by a mother who was an Atheist and father figures who were Communist. His education continued in the sewer swamp of Chicago politics under the special care and guidance of radicals. Most Americans pulling the lever for Obama on election day did not fully understand this although the media made sure that we knew everything there was to know about Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and Joe the plumber's taxes.

6. I stand by my original post in saying that Obama was not the fullfilment of Martin Luther King's dream. The content of his character took a back seat to skin color. (Are you aware of the many character and association issues out there)?

7. I understand Black Americans being happy that a black man became president [despite his character] but I believe a legitimate black presidency could have happened 8 years earlier had Colin Powell decided to run for office. And that would have been the fullfillment of Dr. King's dream.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Newman

notofworks-

1. Approximately 8% of black Americans are not enthralled with the president.

Which backs up exactly what I said. He is greatly beloved by the African-American community and for them, is great progress for the fulfillment of "The Dream." And their viewpoint should be considered, acknowledged, and respected.

2. I first got a clue about what Obama stood for when I read an article by Thomas Sowell, a black economist. He pleaded with America to look under the wrapper and not be dazzled by skin color. He said Obama had nothing to offer but an old failed message. He thought, one day, there would be a black man as president, but he was adamant that Obama was the wrong man. He admonished us to remember that the wrapper wasn't as important as the contents.

And there are many caucasian columnist who didn't want Sen. McCain. Why does it matter that Sowell is African-American? If you want to do a racial thing, we could point the a great, great pastor in the suburbs of Houston, Kirbyjon Caldwell, who started www.jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com (since taken down) in which he greatly supported Obama.

3. I don't deny that Obama was elected because of his appeal and charisma. But I do recognize that that wasn't enough to get him through the primaries with his paper thin resume had he not been black and backed by others who were clearing the playing field for him (a coalition of POWER BROKERS who wanted to fundamentally change America).

Sounds like Rush Limbaugh on ESPN again. It's laughable, really, to suggest the African-Americans have an advantage in America. You need to read "Black Like Me" by John Howard Griffin". Although written in the 60's, its principles are still, largely, alive and well today. Obama's "paper-thin resume" is similar to Ronald Reagan's "paper-thin resume."

4. You better believe he was elected because of his potential. But potential to do what?

Every president is elected for his potential. Has to be. No president that's elected to replace someone is ever elected because of his presidential experience, with the exception of Grover Cleveland. Much of the pro-Obama vote was really anti-republican vote, which I think is a poor reason to vote for someone. But Obama's election immediately gave us much better standing in the international community. Of course, it's up to him to maintain that.

5. Obama's world view was shaped in his childhood by a mother who was an Atheist and father figures who were Communist. His education continued in the sewer swamp of Chicago politics under the special care and guidance of radicals. Most Americans pulling the lever for Obama on election day did not fully understand this although the media made sure that we knew everything there was to know about Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and Joe the plumber's taxes.

Seems to me like there was plenty about Obama's associations from the past. It was spattered all over the place. I won't deny for a minute there is a double standard in the media, but the information was out there. I'm not a Limbaugh, Fox News, conservative newsletter-type guy, but I heard plenty about it. And there isn't a candidate these days that doesn't have gobs of internet dirt on them.

6. I stand by my original post in saying that Obama was not the fullfilment of Martin Luther King's dream. The content of his character took a back seat to skin color. (Are you aware of the many character and association issues out there)?

And I stand by my original statement. And I never said that Obama's election was the "fulfillment of Dr. King's dream." And I strongly disagree with the notion because he's black. But if that is true? Well, it's about time. America has a long history of people being chosen because they're white. It would take the next two hundred-plus years of choosing people because they're African-American to even the score.

7. I understand Black Americans being happy that a black man became president [despite his character] but I believe a legitimate black presidency could have happened 8 years earlier had Colin Powell decided to run for office. And that would have been the fullfillment of Dr. King's dream.

Colin Powell? Are you speaking of the Colin Powell that endorsed Barak Obama for president? Pretty sure it's the same guy. Interesting how an Obama supporter would be the fulfillment of the dream, but Obama isn't. Hmmm......

[Newman]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Colin Powell? Are you speaking of the Colin Powell that endorsed Barak Obama for president? Pretty sure it's the same guy. Interesting how an Obama supporter would be the fulfillment of the dream, but Obama isn't. Hmmm......

Ok. I am done with this conversation given that you are comparing Reagon's governorship to Obama's presidency and can't understand the difference. Which is ridiculous anyway given that Reagon was the president of the Screen Actor's Guild before he was the govenor of California. Reagon demonstrated LEADERSHIP and EXPERIENCE before seeking the highest office of the free world.

And for the record- I seriously doubt that Colin Powell is electable as president NOW because he endorsed Obama who is the opposite of what Americans loved about Colin Powell 9 years ago.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Newman

Ok. I am done with this conversation given that you are comparing Reagon's governorship to Obama's presidency and can't understand the difference. Which is ridiculous anyway given that Reagon was the president of the Screen Actor's Guild before he was the govenor of California. Reagon demonstrated LEADERSHIP and EXPERIENCE before seeking the highest office of the free world.

And for the record- I seriously doubt that Colin Powell is electable as president NOW because he endorsed Obama who is the opposite of what Americans loved about Colin Powell 9 years ago.

Wait.....Screen Actor's Guild?? The Screen Actor's Guild?? That's when he was a Democrat, right?

So you're going to compare being a Union Boss to the position of U.S. Senator? I can see why you're leaving the debate. If that's the best ya got, I'd leave too.

And look....it was YOU that said great things about the potential of Colin Powell being elected. I'm sorry that I had to point out to you that he endorsed Obama, which I'm sure, is another motivation for you to stop the debate, because your point there didn't go over so well. It did, indeed, end up being a rather one-sided discussion. Talk to you later and nice to meet you.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Wait.....Screen Actor's Guild?? The Screen Actor's Guild?? That's when he was a Democrat, right?

So you're going to compare being a Union Boss to the position of U.S. Senator? I can see why you're leaving the debate. If that's the best ya got, I'd leave too.

And look....it was YOU that said great things about the potential of Colin Powell being elected. I'm sorry that I had to point out to you that he endorsed Obama, which I'm sure, is another motivation for you to stop the debate, because your point there didn't go over so well. It did, indeed, end up being a rather one-sided discussion. Talk to you later and nice to meet you.

Ummm.... actually I am getting out of the conversation because it is illogical to point out Reagon as a counter point to Obama (and you don't grasp that).

It is also immaterial to our discussion that Colin Powell endorsed Obama 9 years after he considered running for office. I would have voted for him then. I would not vote for him now. Why is that so hard to understand?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Most of our glorious founding fathers that you probably bow to had zero political experience. Furthermore, the original intent for our leaders was that they be everyday people that represented the public, not career politicians. It's funny...so many conservatives have cried bitter tears about "Career Politicians" but then, when a guy comes along who ISN'T one, you start crying about his lack of experience. Hypocrites.

Huh? According to Wikpedia, "The framers of the Constitution had extensive political experience. By 1787, four-fifths (41 individuals), were or had been members of the Continental Congress. Nearly all of the 55 delegates had experience in colonial and state government, and the majority had held county and local offices.[7]"

"The eminent American historian Richard B. Morris, in his 1973 book Seven Who Shaped Our Destiny: The Founding Fathers as Revolutionaries, identified the following seven figures as the key founding fathers: Benjamin Franklin, George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, James Madison, and Alexander Hamilton.[3]

Feel free to point out which of the founding fathers had a resume that most closely resembled Obama's...

BTW- Do not bring up the similarity between Hitler's community organizing and memoirs before he came to power because he wasn't one of our founding fathers or presidents.