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01-12-2010, 05:06 PM
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Re: Rick Warren Statement
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yes of course I have considered it, that is why I can say what I have been saying
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Right.... Of course this numbers game is a bit of a different thing than what I was actually addressing with NOW. My point was an audience with a majority of unbelievers, agnostics, and lesbians might change as a church becomes established with second and third generation believers.
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01-12-2010, 05:09 PM
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Re: Rick Warren Statement
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Right.... Of course this numbers game is a bit of a different thing than what I was actually addressing with NOW. My point was an audience with a majority of unbelievers, agnostics, and lesbians might change as a church becomes established with second and third generation believers.
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The numbers thing is always true. Churches change a lot. I have a friend that goes to Calvary Chapel. They are supposed to be a large church...there will be times for weeks he won't go, just sitting around.
He told me that a LOT of the membership are actually visitors from other churches looking to "hookup" ;-)
People will come and go. Unbelievers will become believers. But for some reason churches are willing to count heads in such a way as to make it seem they have more real members than they actually do,.
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- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
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01-12-2010, 05:15 PM
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Re: Rick Warren Statement
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
The numbers thing is always true. Churches change a lot. I have a friend that goes to Calvary Chapel. They are supposed to be a large church...there will be times for weeks he won't go, just sitting around.
He told me that a LOT of the membership are actually visitors from other churches looking to "hookup" ;-)
People will come and go. Unbelievers will become believers. But for some reason churches are willing to count heads in such a way as to make it seem they have more real members than they actually do,.
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How would you propose they count heads?
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01-12-2010, 05:40 PM
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Re: Rick Warren Statement
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How would you propose they count heads?
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If they would give the average Sunday attendace that would be a good baseline to judge the size of an organization/church.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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01-12-2010, 06:03 PM
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Re: Rick Warren Statement
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If they would give the average Sunday attendace that would be a good baseline to judge the size of an organization/church.
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Do most churches really not keep track of stats like that or do they just not post them?
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01-12-2010, 06:38 PM
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Re: Rick Warren Statement
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How would you propose they count heads?
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I don't propose they count heads
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-12-2010, 06:47 PM
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Re: Rick Warren Statement
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I don't propose they count heads
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For what reason do you think attendance is best left uncounted?
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01-12-2010, 07:14 PM
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Re: Rick Warren Statement
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For what reason do you think attendance is best left uncounted?
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I don't think it's better left uncounted, I just don't see much point in counting heads especially when they are often miscounted
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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01-12-2010, 08:55 PM
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Re: Rick Warren Statement
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I don't think it's better left uncounted, I just don't see much point in counting heads especially when they are often miscounted
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then what do you propose we count to determine church attendance... arms and then divide by 2?
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