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pelathais · #1 01-13-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

Please show where I said that. You won't be able to so just leave me alone.

Here's your post...

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Originally Posted by pelathais

coadie when you're on the mark - you're unstoppable.

My point Light, was to ask you to consider whether or not a person who had no tongue at all could receive the Holy Ghost. Strange as this may appear at first, several years ago I met a dear lady who was suffering from cancer in her jaw. Eventually, they had to remove her whole lower jaw and tongue and the associated muscles. This was her condition when we first met. She did receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit but no, I never heard her speak a single syllable "in tongues," or at all for that matter. Ever.

But when she passed on her family and even her "unsaved" acquaintances all testified of her remarkable salvation and the wonderful things that God had done in her life. She had "the evidence" of the baptism of the Holy Ghost - but it just didn't involve the tongue at all. God forbid that I should put a hedge around people that keeps them from the Kingdom.

So you don't believe God is able to cause a person with no tongue to audiably speak in the Spirit.
Do you even believe he made a donkey speak?

It never ceases to amaze me the limits people who claim to be apostolic put on God.

I'm sorry but if a person does not speak in tongues they have not received the Holy Ghost.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...3&postcount=68

Now, I'll leave you alone.

Light · #2 01-13-2010, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother David

Here's your post...

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Originally Posted by pelathais

coadie when you're on the mark - you're unstoppable.

My point Light, was to ask you to consider whether or not a person who had no tongue at all could receive the Holy Ghost. Strange as this may appear at first, several years ago I met a dear lady who was suffering from cancer in her jaw. Eventually, they had to remove her whole lower jaw and tongue and the associated muscles. This was her condition when we first met. She did receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit but no, I never heard her speak a single syllable "in tongues," or at all for that matter. Ever.

But when she passed on her family and even her "unsaved" acquaintances all testified of her remarkable salvation and the wonderful things that God had done in her life. She had "the evidence" of the baptism of the Holy Ghost - but it just didn't involve the tongue at all. God forbid that I should put a hedge around people that keeps them from the Kingdom.

So you don't believe God is able to cause a person with no tongue to audiably speak in the Spirit.
Do you even believe he made a donkey speak?

It never ceases to amaze me the limits people who claim to be apostolic put on God.

I'm sorry but if a person does not speak in tongues they have not received the Holy Ghost.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...3&postcount=68

Now, I'll leave you alone.

For such a self proclaimed highly educated person you seem to have a small problem with comprehension. Read it slowly, maybe that will help you comprehend. Because you are having difficulty comprehending I will try best to help you. I am responding to one who does not believe God can speak through someone with no jaw. There are night classes available if you would care to learn more.

pelathais · #3 01-13-2010, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

For such a self proclaimed highly educated person you seem to have a small problem with comprehension. Read it slowly, maybe that will help you comprehend. Because you are having difficulty comprehending I will try best to help you. I am responding to one who does not believe God can speak through someone with no jaw. There are night classes available if you would care to learn more.

Now you'll have to show me the post where I've "proclaimed" myself to even be "educated" at all.

Read both posts - slowly, or have someone read them to you. I said that the woman who physically had no tongue had received the baptism of the Holy Ghost without your "evidence."

You disagreed, at the time. Have you changed your opinion?

Light · #4 01-13-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother David

Now you'll have to show me the post where I've "proclaimed" myself to even be "educated" at all.

Read both posts - slowly, or have someone read them to you. I said that the woman who physically had no tongue had received the baptism of the Holy Ghost without your "evidence."

You disagreed, at the time. Have you changed your opinion?

I said and I will say it again. God is able to make a person with no tongue, no jaw or no any thing else speak in tongues. I have seen and heard the deaf and dumb receive the Holy Ghost. If a person does not speak in tongues they did not receive the Holy Ghost. Tongues are the evidence that one has received the Holy Ghost.

Evang.Benincasa · #5 01-13-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

I said and I will say it again. God is able to make a person with no tongue, no jaw or no any thing else speak in tongues. I have seen and heard the deaf and dumb receive the Holy Ghost. If a person does not speak in tongues they did not receive the Holy Ghost. Tongues are the evidence that one has received the Holy Ghost.

There is a Trinitarian Pentecostal group in Sao Paulo Brazil called God Is Love.
They have an evangelist who had his tongue cut out when he was a drug dealer. The story goes, that when this chap later in his life received the Holy Ghost he spoke in tongues. I'm also told that he preaches like a man who has a tongue, and has been on Brazilian television showing the camera that he indeed has no tongue.

Jesus made blind men see, and the dumb to speak.

Just because some lack the evidence of dead being raised, and the blind see, doesn't mean it is not true. The Bible is our source of evidence to what we believe. If the scripture says we speak in tongues, then by Jiminy, we speak in tongues.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

pelathais · #6 01-13-2010, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

I said and I will say it again. God is able to make a person with no tongue, no jaw or no any thing else speak in tongues. I have seen and heard the deaf and dumb receive the Holy Ghost. If a person does not speak in tongues they did not receive the Holy Ghost. Tongues are the evidence that one has received the Holy Ghost.

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

There is a Trinitarian Pentecostal group in Sao Paulo Brazil called God Is Love.
They have an evangelist who had his tongue cut out when he was a drug dealer. The story goes, that when this chap later in his life received the Holy Ghost he spoke in tongues. I'm also told that he preaches like a man who has a tongue, and has been on Brazilian television showing the camera that he indeed has no tongue.

Jesus made blind men see, and the dumb to speak.

Just because some lack the evidence of dead being raised, and the blind see, doesn't mean it is not true. The Bible is our source of evidence to what we believe. If the scripture says we speak in tongues, then by Jiminy, we speak in tongues.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

So this woman did not receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost then and died lost? Is that what you are saying?

MrMasterMind · #7 01-13-2010, 10:00 PM

So what is the minimum number of words necessary, or do just unknown syllables count?

Evang.Benincasa · #8 01-13-2010, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brother David

So this woman did not receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost then and died lost? Is that what you are saying?

Since you don't believe that speaking in tongues is the initial sign of the Holy Ghost then (by your standard) she is saved.

Since I believe that one must receive the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues, ( and you claim she didn't speak in tongues)then she died lost.

Above & Beyond · #9 01-15-2010, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Light

I said and I will say it again. God is able to make a person with no tongue, no jaw or no any thing else speak in tongues. I have seen and heard the deaf and dumb receive the Holy Ghost. If a person does not speak in tongues they did not receive the Holy Ghost. Tongues are the evidence that one has received the Holy Ghost.

Since God is a Spirit, isn't it possible to worship and pray to Him in our spirit? Hannah prayed in her heart (spirit) for a child. The Bible says her lips moved, but no sound came from her mouth for she was praying in her heart (spirit). Obviously, God heard her prayer, for she had a child. It's possible this woman who had cancer prayed in tongues in her heart. I know it's possible because I have done so.

Light · #10 01-15-2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Above & Beyond

Since God is a Spirit, isn't it possible to worship and pray to Him in our spirit? Hannah prayed in her heart (spirit) for a child. The Bible says her lips moved, but no sound came from her mouth for she was praying in her heart (spirit). Obviously, God heard her prayer, for she had a child. It's possible this woman who had cancer prayed in tongues in her heart. I know it's possible because I have done so.

Hanna was in the old Testament. The Holy Ghost wasn't given then. There was a literal Temple. Now ONLY those that have been baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues are the temple of God. No if, and, or buts about it. Gods words do not lie.