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Old 01-19-2010, 02:11 PM
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Re: DKB Shares His Vision: Apostolic Identity,

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Let's look at vs 5 of Dt 22 as DueteronmyCh8 has brought it uo concerning women and the wearing of dresses verese pants.

A woman shall not wear a MANS garment.

Please Br. Dt.8 tell us all the hebrew word translated "man" in this verse nd it's meaning to those it was written to.
I believe the scripture is rather "plain" in its meaning. It needs no interpretation.
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:51 PM
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People seem to be playing "pick-n-choose" with Old Testament verses. They want the twenty-third Psalm, the hundredth Psalm, and all the OT verses that won’t affect their lifestyle, but then they try to explain away any OT verse that would have any effect on how they live.

2 Timothy 3:16 - ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and IS PROFITABLE for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

But I GUESS 1 Corinthians 11 want do it for you either ...will it?

Is not Deuteronomy 22:5 scripture? If so, then it is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness. Preachers, will you be like so many of the mockers of today and cut these verses out of your Bible as Jehoiakim did? Or will you stand like Paul and be able to say,

"And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house," - Acts 20:20

Let’s look at I Corinthians 10:1-11.

Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

Throughout this passage Paul continually uses the Old Testament to prove something. Focus on verses 6 and 11. Paul tells us that those OT writings are for us today.

I suppose Paul would be called a legalist or a Pharisee by the mockers. Just because something is in the OT does not negate it from being applicable for us in the church age. Any commandment or teaching in the OT that is repeated in the NT is for us.
Who is "picking and choosing" here?

Read the preceding versus of your favorite Deuteronomy passage. Read the proceeding verses. Read the levitical laws. Let's obey it all! No picking and choosing.

Okay, so then we use hermeneutics. First, we determine what the Text meant to Israel. Second, what was the authorial intent? Third, what was the timeless principle. Finally, what does that mean to us today?

The fact that both men and women wore robes in Deuteronomy 22 should be a "DUH" bell for us. Some choose to read in it their own interpretations. Just be honest!

So I ask you, what commandment in the OT was concerning bifurcated clothing?
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:57 PM
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Who is "picking and choosing" here?

Read the preceding versus of your favorite Deuteronomy passage. Read the proceeding verses. Read the levitical laws. Let's obey it all! No picking and choosing.

Okay, so then we use hermeneutics. First, we determine what the Text meant to Israel. Second, what was the authorial intent? Third, what was the timeless principle. Finally, what does that mean to us today?

The fact that both men and women wore robes in Deuteronomy 22 should be a "DUH" bell for us. Some choose to read in it their own interpretations. Just be honest!

So I ask you, what commandment in the OT was concerning bifurcated clothing?
The ONLY "bifurcated" garment in the old testament was worn by the priest!
My question to you is this


IS IT WRONG FOR A MAN TO WEAR A SKIRT or DRESS ????????
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Old 01-19-2010, 01:59 PM
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The ONLY "bifurcated" garment in the old testament was worn by the priest!
My question to you is this


IS IT WRONG FOR A MAN TO WEAR A SKIRT or DRESS ????????
Will it send them to hell? No.

Is it unacceptable in our society? Yes.
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Old 01-19-2010, 02:03 PM
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The ONLY "bifurcated" garment in the old testament was worn by the priest!
My question to you is this


IS IT WRONG FOR A MAN TO WEAR A SKIRT or DRESS ????????
What does it mean symbolically to our culture today? Just like there were no pants in Jesus' day or Moses', we appeal to culture to make the right application. The correct application of Deut 22 has to do with cross-dressers. A secondary application would be God's value in gender distinction. Be feminine.

In our culture today, a man wearing a dress or skirt is certainly strange, immature, immodest and unacceptable. How many people have you had to kick out of your church for that reason?

My question back to you: Would you wear a pair of women's pants?
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The ONLY "bifurcated" garment in the old testament was worn by the priest!
My question to you is this


IS IT WRONG FOR A MAN TO WEAR A SKIRT or DRESS ????????
ask him.....


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The ONLY "bifurcated" garment in the old testament was worn by the priest!
My question to you is this


IS IT WRONG FOR A MAN TO WEAR A SKIRT or DRESS ????????
Not in Scotland.
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The ONLY "bifurcated" garment in the old testament was worn by the priest!
My question to you is this


IS IT WRONG FOR A MAN TO WEAR A SKIRT or DRESS ????????
Have men ever worn dresses/skirts/robes?
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Problem is, what ship to jump to? UPC isn't the only one that is "sinking"... Many denominations are struggling with issues of worship, music, acceptance... just in an entirely different way that OP.
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Problem is, what ship to jump to? UPC isn't the only one that is "sinking"... Many denominations are struggling with issues of worship, music, acceptance... just in an entirely different way that OP.
True, but the struggles are a lot different and the conversation a lot more friendly.
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