DKB Shares His Vision: Apostolic Identity,

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

Isn't that the "other" UPCI of Columbia.. even though they share the same they split away from the missionaries right? I was told the story a long time ago about Columbia having two UPCI's... the "official" one which is tiny and the "other" that is bigger than the USA church. Correct me if i'm jumbled on that one.

Yes, you are correct ... it was the first national work to go independent ... from the mothership.

There was tremendous revival, persecution and later internal strife that led to this schism in the 60's I believe... Eventually the national work teamed up with the Canadian work headed by Stairs.

Fudge touches on some of this in his book ...

[DAII]

What the world is looking for as aptly stated by brother in Christ, Mark Bassett, is a Jesus Identity .... not an Artificial Identity!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by DAII

What the world is looking for as aptly stated by brother in Christ, Mark Bassett, is a Jesus Identity .... not an Artificial Identity!

Very true!

I guess that's one reason MB has chosen to leave the mothership.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DAII

What the world is looking for as aptly stated by brother in Christ, Mark Bassett, is a Jesus Identity .... not an Artificial Identity!

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Very true!

I guess that's one reason MB has chosen to leave the mothership.

I guess while we are on the subject - I wonder if you could term this as a "broadbrush"?

When I read this comment, I am reading, "If you are in the "Mothership", you have Artificial Identity".

So, would you be saying that I do not have a real and sincere relationship with God? That I cannot hear His voice? That He does not give me direction?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I guess while we are on the subject - I wonder if you could term this as a "broadbrush"?

When I read this comment, I am reading, "If you are in the "Mothership", you have Artificial Identity".

So, would you be saying that I do not have a real and sincere relationship with God? That I cannot hear His voice? That He does not give me direction?

That post has nothing to do with you and it's not a broadbrush. MB feels that way and I was just stating that apparently is one reason he's no longer in the mothership.

I read MB's post and was just responding to DA.

[RandyWayne]

Here's where I'm at:
I think that everyone can agree on the fact the first churches (epistles) without doubt laid down a number of dress codes. Now with that knowledge, do we:
1 - Try to decipher these dress codes and apply them today?
2 - Try to understand the thought process used in creating these dress codes and apply this process to a 21st Century application?

I vaguely remember "dress codes" spelled out for Levitical priests, but cannot think of a single one placed on anyone else.

And if dress codes were so important, would they really require "deciphering"?

[jasites]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I vaguely remember "dress codes" spelled out for Levitical priests, but cannot think of a single one placed on anyone else.

And if dress codes were so important, would they really require "deciphering"?

I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. (NIV, 1 Timothy 2:9-10)

Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. (NIV, 1 Peter 3:2-5)

Any man who prays or prophesies with something on his head disgraces his head, but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled disgraces her head--it is one and the same thing as having her head shaved. For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or to be shaved, she should wear a veil. For a man ought not to have his head veiled, since he is the image and reflection of God; but woman is the reflection of man. (NRSV, 1 Corinthians 11:4-7)

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by jasites

I also want women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. (NIV, 1 Timothy 2:9-10)

Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. (NIV, 1 Peter 3:2-5)

More scripture for Deut poster to not ignore.

[jasites]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

More scripture for Deut poster to not ignore.

Your right, trust me - I agree with your sentiment!

But then again, here we go pointing fingers and tearing down. How do you feel we should handle these scriptures??

I just some people to go on record. Again:
Do we apply them today?
Disregard their application for today?
Try to understand their purpose and alter for 21st century application?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by jasites

Your right, trust me - I agree with your sentiment!

But then again, here we go pointing fingers and tearing down. How do you feel we should handle these scriptures??

I just some people to go on record. Again:
Do we apply them today?
Disregard their application for today?
Try to understand their purpose and alter for 21st century application?

See JA's post above - - that I'm 100% in agreement with!