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Old 02-06-2010, 08:57 PM
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Re: What If We Didn't Have The Bible?

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Well, we have the bible and no one can figure out how to be saved. I've seen, at least, fifty different ideas on salvation here on this forum. Can you imagine how many different ideas exist in modern Christendom? So I'm gonna say we'd be in just as big a mess if we didn't have a bible. Might even help!
TM, Guess I have been here as long as anyone, yet have not seen anyone advocate fifty ways...

All with slight variation advocate ONE way to God and heaven - namely through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:14 PM
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TM, Guess I have been here as long as anyone, yet have not seen anyone advocate fifty ways...

All with slight variation advocate ONE way to God and heaven - namely through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ok, I was exaggerating to make a point. So fine, I've only seen forty.

Seriously though, I've seen a myriad of suggestions here on this forum on what it takes to be and stay saved. In my UPC years, there were even numerous ways suggested. I have a friend who wrote a book about the seven steps to salvation. I once visited a church on the east coast that was built 8-sided representing the eight steps to salvation. Then, of course, there's the 3-steppers, the one-steppers, and the two-step-dancers!

Sure, the way to salvation is through Jesus Christ. But that's never enough for the doctrine freaks that have to have things their way.
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:22 PM
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Re: What If We Didn't Have The Bible?

9-11 If you go against the grain, you get splinters, regardless of which neighborhood you're from, what your parents taught you, what schools you attended. But if you embrace the way God does things, there are wonderful payoffs, again without regard to where you are from or how you were brought up. Being a Jew won't give you an automatic stamp of approval. God pays no attention to what others say (or what you think) about you. He makes up his own mind.
12-13 If you sin without knowing what you're doing, God takes that into account. But if you sin knowing full well what you're doing, that's a different story entirely. Merely hearing God's law is a waste of your time if you don't do what he commands. Doing, not hearing, is what makes the difference with God.
14-16 When outsiders who have never heard of God's law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience. They show that God's law is not something alien, imposed on us from without, but woven into the very fabric of our creation. There is something deep within them that echoes God's yes and no, right and wrong. Their response to God's yes and no will become public knowledge on the day God makes his final decision about every man and woman. The Message from God that I proclaim through Jesus Christ takes into account all these differences.
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17-24 If you're brought up Jewish, don't assume that you can lean back in the arms of your religion and take it easy, feeling smug because you're an insider to God's revelation, a connoisseur of the best things of God, informed on the latest doctrines! I have a special word of caution for you who are sure that you have it all together yourselves and, because you know God's revealed Word inside and out, feel qualified to guide others through their blind alleys and dark nights and confused emotions to God. While you are guiding others, who is going to guide you? I'm quite serious. While preaching "Don't steal!" are you going to rob people blind? Who would suspect you? The same with adultery. The same with idolatry. You can get by with almost anything if you front it with eloquent talk about God and his law. The line from Scripture, "It's because of you Jews that the outsiders are down on God," shows it's an old problem that isn't going to go away.
25-29 Circumcision, the surgical ritual that marks you as a Jew, is great if you live in accord with God's law. But if you don't, it's worse than not being circumcised. The reverse is also true: The uncircumcised who keep God's ways are as good as the circumcised—in fact, better. Better to keep God's law uncircumcised than break it circumcised. Don't you see: It's not the cut of a knife that makes a Jew. You become a Jew by who you are. It's the mark of God on your heart, not of a knife on your skin, that makes a Jew. And recognition comes from God, not legalistic critics.
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Re: What If We Didn't Have The Bible?

This is from the book by Bishop G.T. Haywood on The Resurrection.
Bishop G.T. Haywood was a respected leader and teacher in the Apostolic movement for many years.

The Second Resurrection.

According to the inspired word of God the resurrection of the "blessed and Holy" is completed a thousand years before the second resurrection. It is from this point that we are obliged to note the difference between partakers of the two resurrections.

After the thousand years expire "the rest of the dead" (those who did not come forth in the first resurrection) both righteous and wicked, live again and are made to stand before God. It is then that Jesus separates them as a shepherd divideth the sheep from the goats according to Matt. 25:31-46.

In this resurrection is included all the righteous men of all ages who walked in all the light that they were given. It is my candid opinion that all heathen, Israelites, Christian professors who have never heard the true gospel of Christ and those who die during the millennium, walking in the light of their times will be given eternal life at the last resurrection.

Many righteous people have died without the Holy Ghost and the question has been asked: "Where will they come in?" They shall be given eternal life in the last day. They shall inherit the New Earth where life eternal reigns because "there shall be no more death.

If we desire to take part in the first resurrection we must be filled with the same Holy Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead. It is the church of the First-born that takes part in the first resurrection. To enter into that Church, which is his body, we must be baptized into it by both water and the Spirit. (See John 3:5; Rom. 6:3-5; 1 Cor. 12:12, 13; Gal. 3:26-28.

The time for the first resurrection is at hand. Are you preparing to meet the Bridegroom? You must get oil within your vessels and have your lamps trimmed and burning. Soon shall we hear the midnight cry - "BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH."
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Re: What If We Didn't Have The Bible?

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TM, Guess I have been here as long as anyone, yet have not seen anyone advocate fifty ways...
I think TM is mixed up with "Fifty Ways to Leave Your Lover"

Just slip out the back Jack,
Make a new plan Stan,
No need to be coy, Roy....
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