Winterfire 2010

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Justin

This Raymond Woodward: http://www.capitalcommunity.ca/pdf/B...0Are%20His.pdf ?

He also preaches extra blessings to women with uncut hair.

He's also got a crazyman for a music director.

[TroubleMaker]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

I'm speaking of your "church system", the one that is fairly militant about certain dogmas, particularly the Godhead, baptismal formula, dress code, and the dramatic focus on the role of "tongues."

Is there any difference between your "church system" and the system of the school principal? Is there something that makes your church system "Right" and something that makes his church system "wrong" and if so, what happens if "Bob" flips the "church coin" and inadvertently chooses the wrong church? Will his eternity be effected...and when you answer, please don't opt for the generic "I'm not the judge, that's God's job"? Your entire church system, and others, seem to judge by making such a HUGE deal out of certain non-essential (as I see them) so-called "doctrines."

Secondly, you stated that you are striving to live righteously. I'm wondering how you do that. Isn't our righteousness only from God? How are you able to produce your own righteousness? You sound like the person spoken of in Romans 10 and Colossians 2:

New International Version
Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.Romans 10:3

New Living Translation
20 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, 21 “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? 22 Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. 23 These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.Colossians 2-20-23

Hello? Miss Brat? Testing 1,2,3,4?

[northern gal]

Thanks to Justin for the link on Rev Woodward's article. seeing it is longer than I have the time to read online, would you please point out which page he promises extra blessing on uncut hair, more than the reference we can read in scriptures, such as power on her head because of the angels. I will be reading this page by page later but seeing it is so lengthy could you give a clue where it is found??

[Justin]

Originally Posted by northern gal

Thanks to Justin for the link on Rev Woodward's article. seeing it is longer than I have the time to read online, would you please point out which page he promises extra blessing on uncut hair, more than the reference we can read in scriptures, such as power on her head because of the angels. I will be reading this page by page later but seeing it is so lengthy could you give a clue where it is found??

Starting on page 12

"Recognize the Spiritual Significance of Hair
· If only Christians knew what witches and New Agers know! There is “power on [the] head” because of what we
do with our hair! What God meant for good, the devil wants to use for evil!

· The Encyclopedia of Superstition, Folklore and The Occult Sciences of the World, page 282: “Women’s hair is a
most precious amulet and wards off a great many evils and diseases.”

· The Power of Magic Secrets and Mysteries Ancient and Modern, page 74: “Hair has always been considered strong
magic; witches casting an evil spell needed a piece of hair from their victim to make it truly efficacious.”

· The Women’s Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects, page 313: “Women’s hair carried heavy symbolic and
spiritual significance in Oriental Religions. Tantric sages proclaimed that the binding or unbinding of women’s hair
could control cosmic powers of creation and destruction.”

· The Donning International Encyclopedic Psychic Dictionary, page 269: “Hair has psychical powers that act as a
protection from evil entities of the etheric world; cutting of the hair was done in a ritual to discontinue this protection; it
is symbolic of strength. It contributes to one’s personality, and is a mark of identification; to shave one’s head is to
remove one’s self-image so one can begin a new self-image.”

· Encyclopedia on Witches and Witchcraft, page 149: “A witch’s magical power is bound in her hair; by shaking her
hair in the wind, the power of a spell is doubled.”

· Encyclopedia of Occultism and Parapsychology, page 572: “Hair has had an occult significance since ancient times.
It has been regarded as a source of strength. The association of hair with sexual features of the body has given it
remarkable force, and distinctions between male and female hair have emphasized sexual attraction. The unisex
fashions of the permissive society and rock groups have tended to create sexual confusion and neurotic behavior.”

· Think of the “classic image” of a witch … it is a woman with long, scraggly uncut hair. WHY? Because the evil
side of the supernatural realm knows there is power associated with hair!"

He then breaks it down verse by verse... here is an excerpt from verse 10 (power on their head):

v. 10 – If a woman is willing to submit to her role (“for this cause”), she will have power on her
head “BECAUSE OF THE ANGELS.” This phrase could have one of four possible
meanings, but the first two meanings (especially the first one) have the weight of Biblical
scholarship behind them:
1. HOLY ANGELS – As these angels veil their faces before God, so the godly woman
wears a veil. The holy angels receive “delegated power” as they submit to God, just like
the godly woman. These angels were present at creation, and know the order of
creation!

2. EVIL ANGELS – These fallen angels are constantly looking for an opportunity to destroy.
Rebellion opens the door to evil (1 Samuel 15:23), but submission to God’s authority
blocks their efforts. These angels were also present at creation, and know the order of
creation!

3. MINISTERS – The word “angel” (or “messenger”) is used for ministers in both the Old
Testament (Malachi 2:7) and New Testament (Revelation 1:20). In this view, women
should wear veils to avoid inadvertently drawing the attention or affection of the ministry.

4. HEATHEN SPIES – This same word is used in James 2:25 to refer to the spies Joshua
sent into Jericho. In this view, women should wear veils because the heathen constantly
sent spies into Christian assemblies to report on violations of public decorum.

· v. 10 – A godly woman’s uncut hair is the mark of her authority in the presence of God, and
in the world of angels and demons. Greek scholar Marvin Treece teaches: “When you come
into the presence of God having your hair cut, or you have some idea in your head of
changing your image to look like a man in some way, it changes your relationship with God,
and you have no authority. I would adjure you, do not attempt to cast out demons with your
hair cut, Sister!” Both angels and demons (fallen angels) recognize spiritual authority - and
they know when it is not present!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Did he preach on "power on her head because of the angels" ?

No, he didn't preach on hair.

[Sister Alvear]

I have recieved several e mails praising the conference...thank the Lord for His wonderful people.

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Brother David

He's also got a crazyman for a music director.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by TroubleMaker

I'm speaking of your "church system", the one that is fairly militant about certain dogmas, particularly the Godhead, baptismal formula, dress code, and the dramatic focus on the role of "tongues."

I wouldn't describe my church as "militant" at all. What do you mean by "militant?" Do you actually know anything at all about *my* church system? If you mean that people teach things and state they are "truth", then I would say that most religious denominations do that--it isn't unique to my church. There are some non-denominational groups that provide cosmopolitan worship experiences, but even they are dogmatic about some things, such as the existence of God, or other doctrines. Ultimately, churches (read: especially the ministers who look after those churches) have a responsibility to share with the local assembly, community and even the world what their beliefs are. It's called the "Great Commission." In turn, members of the assembly have an equal responsibility to pass on their beliefs to others as well. Not doing so shows a lack of care for those who are lost.

Is there any difference between your "church system" and the system of the school principal? Is there something that makes your church system "Right" and something that makes his church system "wrong" and if so, what happens if "Bob" flips the "church coin" and inadvertently chooses the wrong church? Will his eternity be effected...and when you answer, please don't opt for the generic "I'm not the judge, that's God's job"? Your entire church system, and others, seem to judge by making such a HUGE deal out of certain non-essential (as I see them) so-called "doctrines."

A church doesn't save you; a church system doesn't save you; God saves you--plain and simple.

If we have a relationship with God, we'll want to obey Him (e.g., please Him). One of His instructions is to assemble together with other believers (exemplified by the early church), presumably for preaching, teaching, fellowship, and ministering to one another in "psalms, hymns & spiritual songs." Where a person assembles is not nearly as important as their personal obedience to God's Word. However, I think it's healthier to attend a church that is as close to following the Word of God as possible--especially if you're raising children, and you care what and how they are taught.

As for "Bob"...I don't care where he goes so much as how he pursues a personal relationship with God. An assembly of believers can strengthen that relationship, or tear it down, depending on where you go. The relationship comes first. You keep trying to put the church choice in first, and I don't really understand why. Anyone who asks me about Christianity is going to be directed to the Bible for answers--not to any particular church. I might suggest they visit our church if they're interested, (or the closest church that I feel teaches the truth) but what they need to do FIRST is start communicating with God and reading His Word.

Secondly, you stated that you are striving to live righteously. I'm wondering how you do that. Isn't our righteousness only from God? How are you able to produce your own righteousness? You sound like the person spoken of in Romans 10 and Colossians 2:

I believe we should do our best to live righteously (e.g., "doing right") Obviously human attempts to that end are ultimately going to fall short, which is why we all need grace. :-) However, an abundance of grace doesn't mean we should deliberately sin.

Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

New International Version
Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.Romans 10:3

New Living Translation
20 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, 21 “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? 22 Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. 23 These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.Colossians 2-20-23

The rules I follow are those found in the Word--I don't follow arbitrary rules of men unless I have a scriptural mandate to do so. I would think that following the Word would be beneficial to anyone--even someone who doesn't have a spiritual motivation.

Following rules doesn't change the heart, though--that was the problem with the law. A man could refrain from adultery, but think about it in his heart, which violated the spirit of the law, if not the letter. Jesus came to change that, to make the picture complete. That doesn't mean we do away with the commandments--just that now the whole *plate* will be clean, inside and out.

Matthew 23:26 "Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also."


We can handle outward righteousness. Many secular people live everyday without lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, etc. However, our inward righteousness can only be brought to pass by the hand of God in our lives.

[Sherri]

Ok, I'm sorry, but it blows my mind that this Woodward guy (I don't know him at all) is quoting all these things from occult books and articles on witchcraft/occultism to prove a point. Since when did we start researching the evil books for sermon material? Does this seem weird to anyone else but me?

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Sherri

Ok, I'm sorry, but it blows my mind that this Woodward guy (I don't know him at all) is quoting all these things from occult books and articles on witchcraft/occultism to prove a point. Since when did we start researching the evil books for sermon material? Does this seem weird to anyone else but me?

Very true! If hair has power, it seems that it has evil power!