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Old 02-14-2010, 02:01 PM
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Re: Christianity without the Cross: A review...

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Hi Mizpeh,

I have a question: I realize hindsight is 20/20, but did the two original organizations (PCI, PAJC) simply underestimate the impact that differing soteriological stances would have on their new (UPC) organizational unity? Was it naive and unrealistic for them to expect it wouldn't have an impact on unity?

It appears to me that ANY such fundamental difference in ANY religious organization would produce just such a natural evolution over time that has occurred in the UPC: one view prevails, one does not.
IMO, they (both sides of the UPC) should have fellowshipped the things they had in common in conferences and organization functions and left the differences for the individual churches with their pastoral leadership. More effort should have been spent by leadership on teaching love, peace, and unity within the body of Christ.

Did you read any of Scalia's comments to Jason and to Dan on Jason's blog? Interesting stuff.
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IMO, they (both sides of the UPC) should have fellowshipped the things they had in common in conferences and organization functions and left the differences for the individual churches with their pastoral leadership. More effort should have been spent by leadership on teaching love, peace, and unity within the body of Christ.
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I agree.

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Agree to disagree without being disagreeable.
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I agree.

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Why have an organization if you are not in agreement? Why even have one?
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Old 02-14-2010, 08:53 PM
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Why have an organization if you are not in agreement? Why even have one?
It was not he steps of salvation that gave them common ground it was the belief of One God in Christ Jesus.. They thought common ground would bring together the divisions...
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Old 02-14-2010, 11:17 PM
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Re: Christianity without the Cross: A review...

I sometimes wonder if 3 steppers really are 3 steppers...when a Pastor will put off baptism for the next service for whatever reason...

When Nathaniel Urshan is reluctant to tell Walter Martin they are lost and not brothers in Christ.

On the other hand I find it interesting the 1 steppers of the Trinitarian kind are many times of the opinion that even a 1 step Oneness Pentecostal is lost and going to hell.
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It was not he steps of salvation that gave them common ground it was the belief of One God in Christ Jesus.. They thought common ground would bring together the divisions...
It showed stupidity reigned then as well as now.
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