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03-03-2010, 11:59 PM
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crakjak
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Re: Sermons in Acts and Hell
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
An everlasting Hell where souls were tormented for millions upon billions upon trillions of years was not known in the Old Testament. Yet the destruction of the soul of the wicked was.
4: Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: th e soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18:4
This was the same doctrine taught by Yeshua.
28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matt. 10:28
This fire judgment is shown us in Malachi.
16: Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
17: And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
18: Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
1: For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. Mal. 1:1
This is the reference Yeshua had in mind:
40: As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41: The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42: And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Matt. 13:40-42
The "furnace of fire" Yeshua mentioned sounds a lot like Malachi's fiery oven. The "tares" sound a lot like Malachi's "stubble".
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If we read further in Mal. the fire is purifying:
Malachi 3:2-3 (King James Version)
2But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
3And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
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03-04-2010, 12:31 AM
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Re: Sermons in Acts and Hell
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Originally Posted by crakjak
If we read further in Mal. the fire is purifying:
Malachi 3:2-3 (King James Version)
2But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
3And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
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Actually the verse he refers to is Mal 4:1, totally different context
Mal 4:1 "For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the LORD of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.
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Amo 5:18 Woe to you who desire the day of the LORD! Why would you have the day of the LORD? It is darkness, and not light,
Amo 5:19 as if a man fled from a lion, and a bear met him, or went into the house and leaned his hand against the wall, and a serpent bit him.
Amo 5:20 Is not the day of the LORD darkness, and not light, and gloom with no brightness in it?
Oba 1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the nations. As you have done, it shall be done to you; your deeds shall return on your own head.
Oba 1:16 For as you have drunk on my holy mountain, so all the nations shall drink continually; they shall drink and swallow, and shall be as though they had never been.
Oba 1:17 But in Mount Zion there shall be those who escape, and it shall be holy, and the house of Jacob shall possess their own possessions.
Oba 1:18 The house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau stubble; they shall burn them and consume them, and there shall be no survivor for the house of Esau, for the LORD has spoken.
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03-04-2010, 07:35 AM
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crakjak
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Re: Sermons in Acts and Hell
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Actually the verse he refers to is Mal 4:1, totally different context
Mal 4:1 "For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the LORD of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.
Also
Amo 5:18 Woe to you who desire the day of the LORD! Why would you have the day of the LORD? It is darkness, and not light,
Amo 5:19 as if a man fled from a lion, and a bear met him, or went into the house and leaned his hand against the wall, and a serpent bit him.
Amo 5:20 Is not the day of the LORD darkness, and not light, and gloom with no brightness in it?
Oba 1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the nations. As you have done, it shall be done to you; your deeds shall return on your own head.
Oba 1:16 For as you have drunk on my holy mountain, so all the nations shall drink continually; they shall drink and swallow, and shall be as though they had never been.
Oba 1:17 But in Mount Zion there shall be those who escape, and it shall be holy, and the house of Jacob shall possess their own possessions.
Oba 1:18 The house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau stubble; they shall burn them and consume them, and there shall be no survivor for the house of Esau, for the LORD has spoken.
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Yes I know, and his context is clearly the coming judgment of the house of Israel, seems that 70 AD is clearly in view to the prophet. And yet, in chapter three the prophet was seeing the purifying of Israel. It is there if you have eyes to see, and ears to hear.
Last edited by crakjak; 03-04-2010 at 07:39 AM.
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