Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

Praxeas · #1 03-07-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Are you saying she did this to enhance her worship in some way ... like the young lady on FB who says she does this to somehow increase the move of God when leading worship?

If so ... it's just another example of leadership and those in platform ministry encouraging these behaviors on the young, naive, impressionable minds like BD.

LS "cued" the ladies near the end...the title of the message was something about real power, the body of the message was this stuff about uncut hair. He preached the entire message to the woman and they ended the "party" by letting down their hair so there would be a powerful move at the alter call

I think that was the last time or one of the last times I ever went to a meeting where LS was preaching. It was a let down.

DAII · #2 03-07-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

LS "cued" the ladies near the end...the title of the message was something about real power, the body of the message was this stuff about uncut hair. He preached the entire message to the woman and they ended the "party" by letting down their hair so there would be a powerful move at the alter call

I think that was the last time or one of the last times I ever went to a meeting where LS was preaching. It was a let down.

Would love to have the video for that ....

Snake handlers speak in tongues and dance in the Spirit but its "unfortunate" they do so with snakes in their hands.

Praxeas · #3 03-07-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DAII

Would love to have the video for that ....

Snake handlers speak in tongues and dance in the Spirit but its "unfortunate" they do so with snakes in their hands.

lol...Im gonna start using that word "unfortunate" until it looses it's meaning, wouldn't that be unfortunate?

rgcraig · #4 03-07-2010, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

LS "cued" the ladies near the end...the title of the message was something about real power, the body of the message was this stuff about uncut hair. He preached the entire message to the woman and they ended the "party" by letting down their hair so there would be a powerful move at the alter call

I think that was the last time or one of the last times I ever went to a meeting where LS was preaching. It was a let down.

Literally!

Praxeas · #5 03-07-2010, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Literally!

It was unfortunate

BobDylan · #6 03-08-2010, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

LS "cued" the ladies near the end...the title of the message was something about real power, the body of the message was this stuff about uncut hair. He preached the entire message to the woman and they ended the "party" by letting down their hair so there would be a powerful move at the alter call

I think that was the last time or one of the last times I ever went to a meeting where LS was preaching. It was a let down.

When and where exactly was this supposed to have happened?

Praxeas · #7 03-08-2010, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BobDylan

When and where exactly was this supposed to have happened?

Visalia, a few years ago. Ask Arphaxad, he was there too

Pressing-On · #8 03-08-2010, 06:18 AM

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Visalia, a few years ago. Ask Arphaxad, he was there too

That is unfortunate.

What I do see is that people are still receiving the Holy Ghost, still being healed, still finding answers. KH preached at a ladies prison and 45 women received the Holy Ghost. In the midst of her misunderstanding this passage of scripture, God is still moving.

That is why, while I do rejoice to hear good reports from other church types, it doesn't mean that they have all of truth. People can hear that you don't need the Holy Ghost for salvation, it's only for empowerment, but if they are hungry, they will be filled. God is responding to a hungry heart. Catholics are receiving His spirit - He will pour out His Spirit!

Someone needs to send KH a copy of Daniel Segraves' article in the Herald!!

DAII · #9 03-08-2010, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

That is unfortunate.

What I do see is that people are still receiving the Holy Ghost, still being healed, still finding answers. KH preached at a ladies prison and 45 women received the Holy Ghost. In the midst of her misunderstanding this passage of scripture, God is still moving.

That is why, while I do rejoice to hear good reports from other church types, it doesn't mean that they have all of truth. People can hear that you don't need the Holy Ghost for salvation, it's only for empowerment, but if they are hungry, they will be filled. God is responding to a hungry heart. Catholics are receiving His spirit - He will pour out His Spirit!

Someone needs to send KH a copy of Daniel Segraves' article in the Herald!!

I think the key here is faith ....

Jesus was moved to operate in the miraculous even among the unbelievers ... how many unbeliever Gentiles experience a miracle ... not because they were obedient disciples or operated in authority?

God move in spite of us very often ... despite our whacky doctrines and even among sinful men ... We know of ministers who have been involved in affairs ... bound by alcoholism who in spite of this God works in the supernatural.

None of this excuses teaching irresponsibly or wreckless with unsound, heretical doctrine.

Yes, send her a copy of DS' article.

Pressing-On · #10 03-08-2010, 07:09 AM

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I think the key here is faith ....

Jesus was moved to operate in the miraculous even among the unbelievers ... how many unbeliever Gentiles experience a miracle ... not because they were obedient disciples or operated in authority?

God move in spite of us very often ... despite our whacky doctrines and even among sinful men ... We know of ministers who have been involved in affairs ... bound by alcoholism who in spite of this God works in the supernatural.

None of this excuses teaching irresponsibly or wreckless with unsound, heretical doctrine.

Yes, send her a copy of DS' article.

I agree, Daniel - faith is the key. A move of God isn't always a stamp of approval for everything that is taught and preached. That includes all churches and not just the UPCI, I might add. That is a given.

And you are right - no excuse for being irresponsible with doctrine. I won't say wreckless for KH. I think she has misunderstood this having a heritage that goes way back. She just needs someone to kindly take her aside and show her where she is in error. God is building a church and IMO, this needs to come to a head in order to correct it.

We have a tendency to view trouble as the end all, when it only stands out for our attention and needed correction. That is a necessary life skill for many things that crop up in our lives and in the church.

I agree with these points made by DKB in his article, The Bible’s Teaching about Hair Length: Culture or Command?, which is linked in the first post of this thread.

A woman is to respect the leadership of her own husband (Ephesians 5:22; Colossians 3:18; I Peter 3:1).
Salvation is not based on hair length but on a continuing relationship of faith in Jesus Christ.
If obedience is a sign of faith, does this mean that obedience in this matter can guarantee answers to prayer? Again, this question is based on a faulty premise. When we pray, we are not rewarded for our works, but we depend upon God’s grace. Moreover, God is sovereign; we cannot manipulate His actions.
There have been reports of women letting down their long hair as part of making a specific, urgent prayer request. If the idea was to obligate God to answer prayer or to create a new method of praying, then this action was misguided. If instead it was a spontaneous act to confirm their consecration, then it could have been a legitimate means of expressing and focusing faith.

The part I highlighted in red, while I don't necessarily disagree, I certainly wouldn't promote this act. I have actually done this very thing, years ago! Kneeling by the side of the bed, I took down my hair and said, "God! See? I haven't cut my hair! Why won't you do something in this situation?!"

I then realized that I cannot walk around a trial. I must walk through it, with His grace and mercy. I, especially, must walk through it having faith that God will be with me. My long hair is not going to give me any special privileges while I am being perfected. He is the Potter and I am the Clay. No getting around that!

So, for me, the hair issue is disturbing. My husband, yesterday, said, "Somebody better get a brain!" I asked him, "What are we going to do about this?" His response, "We are going to sit back, relax and see if it is taken care of. We'll make a decision when we need to make it."