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03-08-2010, 02:13 PM
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Re: Oneness is NOT a cult!
It's all very confusing. It's like there are differing ideas/levels of "oneness" and differing levels of "trinitarianism". I don't like to use either label, but I do NOT believe that there are three distinct personalities that have differing thought patterns and emotions. That, I think, is a truly tri-theistic idea. However, I do not believe that Jesus is the Father, so I guess that makes me non-oneness in some people's minds.
All I know is that I love Jesus and when I get to heaven, if there happens to be 3, I'm not going to be upset and ask to go to the other place!!!
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03-08-2010, 02:19 PM
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Re: Oneness is NOT a cult!
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Originally Posted by Sherri
It's all very confusing. It's like there are differing ideas/levels of "oneness" and differing levels of "trinitarianism". I don't like to use either label, but I do NOT believe that there are three distinct personalities that have differing thought patterns and emotions. That, I think, is a truly tri-theistic idea. However, I do not believe that Jesus is the Father, so I guess that makes me non-oneness in some people's minds.
All I know is that I love Jesus and when I get to heaven, if there happens to be 3, I'm not going to be upset and ask to go to the other place!!!
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Ever hear different "oneness professionals" get into a debate? You will think the sky is purple and the oceans are pink and that one plus one equals 5 within no time. And then to think that SOME of these people put salvational status on proper oneness understanding is even more incredible.
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03-08-2010, 09:20 PM
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Re: Oneness is NOT a cult!
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
Ever hear different "oneness professionals" get into a debate? You will think the sky is purple and the oceans are pink and that one plus one equals 5 within no time. And then to think that SOME of these people put salvational status on proper oneness understanding is even more incredible.
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I thought I had a pretty good understanding of "oneness" but reading some of the arguments back and forth among "oneness" folks here on this forum, the way they speak to one another, the way they put one another down, the terms and words used, I wonder if there is such a thing as a "oneness" doctrine. Does each of us have our own private "oneness" doctrine?
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03-09-2010, 01:28 PM
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Re: Oneness is NOT a cult!
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I thought I had a pretty good understanding of "oneness" but reading some of the arguments back and forth among "oneness" folks here on this forum, the way they speak to one another, the way they put one another down, the terms and words used, I wonder if there is such a thing as a "oneness" doctrine. Does each of us have our own private "oneness" doctrine?
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I agree maybe 1% of the 'Oneness' movement can explain in total the full doctrine.
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03-08-2010, 08:55 PM
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Re: Oneness is NOT a cult!
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All I know is that I love Jesus and when I get to heaven, if there happens to be 3, I'm not going to be upset and ask to go to the other place!!!
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This is a strange thing to say, Sherri. Are you saying that you don't really know? Isaiah 9:6 is pretty plain.
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03-08-2010, 09:25 PM
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Re: Oneness is NOT a cult!
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All I know is that I love Jesus and when I get to heaven, if there happens to be 3, I'm not going to be upset and ask to go to the other place!!!
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3?!
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03-08-2010, 09:46 PM
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Re: Oneness is NOT a cult!
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3?!
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Thank you.
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03-08-2010, 10:34 PM
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Re: Oneness is NOT a cult!
In the 4th century they used the word hypostasis, which means substance or foundation, that which lies beneath.
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- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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03-09-2010, 12:19 PM
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Re: Oneness is NOT a cult!
I would not say that the doctrine of "oneness" is cultic unless:
--It was claimed that it could only be understood by a personal and direct revelation,
--It was claimed that the group that preached it had a superior revelation to others,
--It was claimed that only those who believed that particular explanation of God were really God's people and the only ones who would be saved.
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03-09-2010, 12:20 PM
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Re: Oneness is NOT a cult!
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Originally Posted by Sam
I would not say that the doctrine of "oneness" is cultic unless:
--It was claimed that it could only be understood by a personal and direct revelation,
--It was claimed that the group that preached it had a superior revelation to others,
--It was claimed that only those who believed that particular explanation of God were really God's people and the only ones who would be saved.
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I would not say that the UPC as an organization is a cult,
but it does have some cultish aspects.
I would say that some local UPC churches are cults.
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Non-denominational in affiliation
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