Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Wrong question. Ask them if they've ever heard the teaching that a woman's uncut hair gives her special favor with God and power over the angels.



The first mention was from a sermon in the 90's, giving the 15 year time span. I've heard comments from Stoneking from multiple sermons, where he repeats his views multiple times, and at great length--not just in passing. You obviously haven't gone to the trouble to research this adequately. I have actually sat and listened to his entire sermons, either on cassette, or online via video clips. He didn't just say this one time, and he has NOT calmed down the language. There was a clip from a church posted recently where he basically reiterated the whole thing all over again. I'm sure someone can give you the link, if you want to check it out.

As far as RR goes, it's not even worth discussing. I was in a ladies' conference where she taught back in 2001 (or so), and it was PAINFUL. The last time I went, LaJoyce Martin taught, and it was SO much more pleasant. That woman is a joy to hear.

I read RRH's book back in 99, and didn't think of it as problematic. I do see, in retrospect, how some statements she made are problematic. There is nothing in her book, however, that teaches holy magic hair, or laying hair on people.

I have only heard LS twice in person, and you are correct, I probably haven't done adequate research on this. But I did hear him teach on the hair issue as recently as two weeks ago. I thought he did a great job, this my motivation to enter the fray. If you get a chance, read the last couple paragraphs on my last response to Prax, it explains my motivation a little. I do thank you for the courteous responses, even in disagreement!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I read RRH's book back in 99, and didn't think of it as problematic. I do see, in retrospect, how some statements she made are problematic. There is nothing in her book, however, that teaches holy magic hair, or laying hair on people.

I have only heard LS twice in person, and you are correct, I probably haven't done adequate research on this. But I did hear him teach on the hair issue as recently as two weeks ago. I thought he did a great job, this my motivation to enter the fray. If you get a chance, read the last couple paragraphs on my last response to Prax, it explains my motivation a little. I do thank you for the courteous responses, even in disagreement!

I just posted the text from one of his messages, BD. I think, somehow, you are intentionally missing the point.

Point One:

"Do you know why she got a hold of that and he didn't? Because ladies, among us, who do not cut their hair are entangled with angels and the wisdom and power of angels that men are not connected to and they cannot be connected to it."

It would be hard for me to take this as I know God speaks to my husband and that I have no more special privilege or access to God than He does. If that were true, the Bible is a lying - Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

I didn't see that a woman's uncut hair gave her precedence in Galatians.

Point Two:

"Only eternity will reveal how many times in our homes and in our churches, where our women have not cut their hair, only eternity will reveal how many times an angel of the Lord has stepped out and pulled a child back from oncoming traffic. How many times your husband, on the way to work, suddenly and angel stepped between him and an oncoming car. Only eternity will reveal that."

I'm still looking for a reference to the part that Jesus plays in my life. After all He is the Author and Finisher of my faith. When we focus on angels, we can really go off on some tangents. That is idolatry.

Point Three:

"That is the presence and power of angels. "For this cause ought the women to have power upon her head because of the angels." Power with the angels. Power!!!"

He is reverting back to "dunamis - miraculous power" here. It so magical, you almost don't want to stop yourself! LOL! But, please do! Stop yourself!

Point Four:

"Life your hands for a moment. I prayed, today, that angels would come in among the people, tonight, and touch you in such a way that you would be so transformed in your thinking and in your mind that you would never be the same again."

Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

This scripture implies that it is MY job to renew my mind.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I read RRH's book back in 99, and didn't think of it as problematic. I do see, in retrospect, how some statements she made are problematic. There is nothing in her book, however, that teaches holy magic hair, or laying hair on people.

I have only heard LS twice in person, and you are correct, I probably haven't done adequate research on this. But I did hear him teach on the hair issue as recently as two weeks ago. I thought he did a great job, this my motivation to enter the fray. If you get a chance, read the last couple paragraphs on my last response to Prax, it explains my motivation a little. I do thank you for the courteous responses, even in disagreement!

Once again BD obfuscates. If RR does not use the words HOly Magic Hair, then she does not teach it. She DOES teach it, the doctrine. She does not use the words "magic"

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Once again BD obfuscates. If RR does not use the words HOly Magic Hair, then she does not teach it. She DOES teach it, the doctrine. She does not use the words "magic"

Hitler never called his Final Solution ... the Holocaust. That doesn't mean the Holocaust didn't happen.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by DAII

Hitler never called his Final Solution ... the Holocaust. That doesn't mean the Holocaust didn't happen.

lol...true

I suppose if Trinitarians did not call it the Trinity BD would accept it