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Re: The "Claim to the Name"
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Originally Posted by Falla39
There is a difference in those who perhaps have never heard the Apostolic message
and those who HAVE heard and refused to "hear" or have heard and rejected it. Having
ears to hear and eyes to see, but they see and hear not.
My late paternal Grandmother Lizzie, who was the first of our family to hear, search out,
believe and obey the Apostolic message. At first she got angry and decided to prove that
Pentecostal preacher wrong. After searching it out, she had to admit that it was in the Word.
She didn't hesitate, but obeyed it. She received the "Blessing" or the "Promise of The Father".
And as a result it has been passed down to five generations of her family.
We saw it lived and obeyed and it has brought tremendous blessings to the families that
followed her. You see, she received the "Seed" in which all the families of the earth would
be blessed.
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So do you see those who have not followed the co-called "apostolic message" but are following Christ through more traditional theology, as saved, regenerated, born again, heaven-ready?
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03-11-2010, 01:24 PM
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Re: The "Claim to the Name"
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So do you see those who have not followed the co-called "apostolic message" but are following Christ through more traditional theology, as saved, regenerated, born again, heaven-ready?
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Not my place to judge.
1Cor. 4:5
5Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
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03-11-2010, 01:46 PM
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Re: The "Claim to the Name"
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Not my place to judge.
1Cor. 4:5
5Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. |
That's the expected cop-out. So, let me approach this from a different angle. Do you believe that adherence to the "Oneness message" is the only way to salvation, that adherence to salvation the Acts 2:38 way is the only way to heaven?
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03-11-2010, 02:45 PM
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Re: The "Claim to the Name"
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That's the expected cop-out. So, let me approach this from a different angle. Do you believe that adherence to the "Oneness message" is the only way to salvation, that adherence to salvation the Acts 2:38 way is the only way to heaven? |
What do you "think"!
Jesus said except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he can't
see (comprehend) or inherit the kingdom. Not only can he not comprehend
it, he can't get into it!
I was not in any way trying to copout. There is a lot more dialogue than
simply saying yes or no.
If a nest of wild hornet were brought to this room
And the critters allowed to go free.
You would not need urging to make yourself scarce,
You'd want to get out, don't you see.
He will not compel you to go, oh no;
He will not compel you to go. He will
Not compel you to go gainst your will,
He'll just make you willing to go.
Therefore judge nothing before the time
He's not through with me yet.
He's still working on me.
How bout you!
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03-11-2010, 07:29 PM
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Re: The "Claim to the Name"
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What do you "think"!
Jesus said except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he can't
see (comprehend) or inherit the kingdom. Not only can he not comprehend
it, he can't get into it!
I was not in any way trying to copout. There is a lot more dialogue than
simply saying yes or no.
If a nest of wild hornet were brought to this room
And the critters allowed to go free.
You would not need urging to make yourself scarce,
You'd want to get out, don't you see.
He will not compel you to go, oh no;
He will not compel you to go. He will
Not compel you to go gainst your will,
He'll just make you willing to go.
Therefore judge nothing before the time
He's not through with me yet.
He's still working on me.
How bout you!
Falla39
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Ok, now that's more like it. So when I asked, "Do you see those who have not followed the co-called "apostolic message" but are following Christ through more traditional theology, as saved, regenerated, born again, heaven-ready?", you're answer would be "No", correct?
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03-11-2010, 07:39 PM
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Re: The "Claim to the Name"
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Originally Posted by Falla39
What do you "think"!
Jesus said except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he can't
see (comprehend) or inherit the kingdom. Not only can he not comprehend
it, he can't get into it!
I was not in any way trying to copout. There is a lot more dialogue than
simply saying yes or no.
If a nest of wild hornet were brought to this room
And the critters allowed to go free.
You would not need urging to make yourself scarce,
You'd want to get out, don't you see.
He will not compel you to go, oh no;
He will not compel you to go. He will
Not compel you to go gainst your will,
He'll just make you willing to go.
Therefore judge nothing before the time
He's not through with me yet.
He's still working on me.
How bout you!
Falla39
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Jesus said, "except a man be born again" and he said "unless one is born of water and of the spirit"
What He did not say is: except a man be born again of water and the spirit.
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Re: The "Claim to the Name"
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Jesus said, "except a man be born again" and he said "unless one is born of water and of the spirit"
What He did not say is: except a man be born again of water and the spirit.
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Re: The "Claim to the Name"
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Jesus said, "except a man be born again" and he said "unless one is born of water and of the spirit"
What He did not say is: except a man be born again of water and the spirit.
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He also didn't say: except a man be born of the flesh and born of the Spirit.
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03-11-2010, 07:47 PM
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Re: The "Claim to the Name"
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He also didn't say: except a man be born of the flesh and born of the Spirit.
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No, but He did say .... “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” John 3:6, KJV.
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Re: The "Claim to the Name"
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He also didn't say: except a man be born of the flesh and born of the Spirit.
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There is a much greater chance that he said born of the flesh (water), than the previous statement. What you are saying is you don't like how I interpret it, what I am saying is it is misquoted based on an assumption about interpretation. I don't misquote it to arrive at my interpretation.
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