Media Outrage?

[oletime]

Originally Posted by pelathais

... for example ...

http://www.alexanderjason.com/alteration-condi.htm

Compare the following two pictures:

and ...

Dr. Condoleezza Rice was vilified for "betraying her race" while Michelle Obama wears the identical hair style is heralded as a "fashion maven."

And Ted Rall's cartoon of Condi Rice wasn't just some far out extremist jab - he was being published in the New York Times and Washington Post at the time.

See Colin Powell's experiences: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/20/powell-arnold/

See Clarence Thomas' experiences: http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2010...ck-called.html

Personaly im tired of blacks calling Clarence Thomas, Condi and Colin" uncle toms" just because they dont "toe the party line" Where is the outrage from the africans americans on this forum as it pertains to this cartoon vs michelles look ? the silence is deafening. Dont hammer racism and skip the reverse because of party affiliation. Its time to tell the truth !

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by oletime

Personaly im tired of blacks calling Clarence Thomas, Condi and Colin" uncle toms" just because they dont "toe the party line" Where is the outrage from the africans americans on this forum as it pertains to this cartoon vs michelles look ? the silence is deafening. Dont hammer racism and skip the reverse because of party affiliation. Its time to tell the truth !

Yes it is bad for "Thomas, Rice and Powell" to be called names.

Is it racism for a black person to call another black person, "Uncle Tom"?


Hurtful, classless, and ignorant, yes.


Racist?

Racism, defined by Webster's Dictionary, is "a belief that by nature some races are superior to others," or "discrimination based on such belief."

Blacks calling other blacks, "Uncle Tom" is not what I would consider racism.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by oletime

Personaly im tired of blacks calling Clarence Thomas, Condi and Colin" uncle toms" just because they dont "toe the party line" Where is the outrage from the africans americans on this forum as it pertains to this cartoon vs michelles look ? the silence is deafening. Dont hammer racism and skip the reverse because of party affiliation. Its time to tell the truth !

Wow, impressive. You've really studied and researched the African-American demographic and now fully understand what they're all about and why they say what they say. Job well done.

The truth is smacking you right in the face and you don't even know it. Your post is typical of many white Americans who just want to grab an isolated incident in an attempt to justify depravity with supposed depravity.

An isolated black person calling Thomas, Rice, & Powell, "Uncle Tom's" does not constitute racism, and doesn't change the monumentally adversarial stacked deck that black America faces every single day.

I don't agree that Thomas, Rice, and Powell are "Uncle Tom's" but I also would provide space for some to express their opinion and also try to understand where they're coming from.

And I do understand where they're coming from.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by notofworks

An isolated black person calling Thomas, Rice, & Powell, "Uncle Tom's" does not constitute racism, and doesn't change the monumentally adversarial stacked deck that black America faces every single day.

Well I do have to take issue with this part of your post.

1) The characters of the three accomplished American, black professionals mentioned have been unnecesarilly maligned by MANY in the "Black Community" for a long, long time. The insults for them, unfortunately, are not isolated.

Add Cosby, Sowell and any other black American who tries to publicly put more resposnisibility on the "Black Community" for our plight in America.


2) That "monumentally adversarial stacked deck that black America faces every single day" may be the doing of years and years of harsh injustice. For argument's sake we'll say it is.

However, I am convinced that the destroying of that "deck" rests in the Grace of God and the personal decisions, good and bad, of each American individual that faces such challenges.

There are just too many black people younger than me who are making AWESOME personal decisions and reaping the fruits of it.

There are just too many black people younger than me who are making TERRIBLE personal decisions and reaping the fruits of it.

Who should they thank? Who should they blame?


Furthermore, being that my roots are West Virginian, I have seen first-hand the results of poverty on black and white Americans. I have heard of whites from WVa making good educational decisions and see far too many whites who make poor educational decisions. By the time they're 25, the deck is stacked against them too. The same can be applied to the blacks I know and have heard of from WVa.



This is a phenomenon commonly referred to as, "life".

For the over OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, they have more opportunities for success and/or failure than what you may be trying to suggest.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well I do have to take issue with this part of your post.

1) The characters of the three accomplished American, black professionals mentioned have been unnecesarilly maligned by MANY in the "Black Community" for a long, long time. The insults for them, unfortunately, are not isolated.

Add Cosby, Sowell and any other black American who tries to publicly put more resposnisibility on the "Black Community" for our plight in America.


2) That "monumentally adversarial stacked deck that black America faces every single day" may be the doing of years and years of harsh injustice. For argument's sake we'll say it is.

However, I am convinced that the destroying of that "deck" rests in the Grace of God and the personal decisions, good and bad, of each American individual that faces such challenges.

There are just too many black people younger than me who are making AWESOME personal decisions and reaping the fruits of it.

There are just too many black people younger than me who are making TERRIBLE personal decisions and reaping the fruits of it.

Who should they thank? Who should they blame?


Furthermore, being that my roots are West Virginian, I have seen first-hand the results of poverty on black and white Americans. I have heard of whites from WVa making good educational decisions and see far too many whites who make poor educational decisions. By the time they're 25, the deck is stacked against them too. The same can be applied to the blacks I know and have heard of from WVa.



This is a phenomenon commonly referred to as, "life".

For the over OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, they have more opportunities for success and/or failure than what you may be trying to suggest.

Good post JD. From the viewpoint of a strong conservative and commenting on your thoughts at face value, you just articulated my viewpoint close to 100 percent.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Well I do have to take issue with this part of your post.

1) The characters of the three accomplished American, black professionals mentioned have been unnecesarilly maligned by MANY in the "Black Community" for a long, long time. The insults for them, unfortunately, are not isolated.

Add Cosby, Sowell and any other black American who tries to publicly put more resposnisibility on the "Black Community" for our plight in America.


2) That "monumentally adversarial stacked deck that black America faces every single day" may be the doing of years and years of harsh injustice. For argument's sake we'll say it is.

However, I am convinced that the destroying of that "deck" rests in the Grace of God and the personal decisions, good and bad, of each American individual that faces such challenges.

There are just too many black people younger than me who are making AWESOME personal decisions and reaping the fruits of it.

There are just too many black people younger than me who are making TERRIBLE personal decisions and reaping the fruits of it.

Who should they thank? Who should they blame?


Furthermore, being that my roots are West Virginian, I have seen first-hand the results of poverty on black and white Americans. I have heard of whites from WVa making good educational decisions and see far too many whites who make poor educational decisions. By the time they're 25, the deck is stacked against them too. The same can be applied to the blacks I know and have heard of from WVa.



This is a phenomenon commonly referred to as, "life".

For the over OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS, they have more opportunities for success and/or failure than what you may be trying to suggest.

I actually agree with everything you said. What I'm trying to say is this...when someone says something like "Colin Powell is an Uncle Tom", I'd like to know why they say it and from where their motivation comes.

Yes, there are a few exceptional people that can excel in ANY situation or condition. But I don't think it's fair to say, "Because they did, anyone can."

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by notofworks

But I don't think it's fair to say, "Because they did, anyone can."

Why not?

I had an English teacher tell me the EXACT same thing in my formative years (somewhere in my vast teenage wasteland, between listening to the sermons of f-khan nightly and decrying the existence of HBCU's as racist.)

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Why not?

I had an English teacher tell me the EXACT same thing in my formative years (somewhere in my vast teenage wasteland, between listening to the sermons of f-khan nightly and decrying the existence of HBCU's as racist.)

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[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Why not?

I had an English teacher tell me the EXACT same thing in my formative years (somewhere in my vast teenage wasteland, between listening to the sermons of f-khan nightly and decrying the existence of HBCU's as racist.)

Because not everyone is born with the same aptitudes. Not everyone responds the same, emotionally, to racial rejection, nor do all respond the same to socio-economic rejection. The makeup of each person is radically different in the way of emotions, intellect, natural talents and gifts, talents & skills, and the way they respond to obstacles.

Even in an "equal" society, some are capable of making millions of dollars and others simply don't have the gift of monetary reproduction. How much more does that apply to those who face the enormous obstacles of racism and racial stereotypes, and to those who face socio-economic bias?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Because not everyone is born with the same aptitudes. Not everyone responds the same, emotionally, to racial rejection, nor do all respond the same to socio-economic rejection. The makeup of each person is radically different in the way of emotions, intellect, natural talents and gifts, talents & skills, and the way they respond to obstacles.

Even in an "equal" society, some are capable of making millions of dollars and others simply don't have the gift of monetary reproduction. How much more does that apply to those who face the enormous obstacles of racism and racial stereotypes, and to those who face socio-economic bias?

My response to racial rejection is whose responsibility?

My response to socio-economic rejection is whose responsibility?

My response to obstacles is whose responsibility?


Will the answers be different based on race? (within the confines of the USA)