Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

[EA]

I have been following this thread, and admit it amuses me.

Where has Bob been living?

He's like the guy whose wife has been cheating on him for years. His friends have told him over and over about her unfaithfulness, but he is so blinded by love that he just can't see the truth, and refuses to acknowledge that evidence of her adultery exists.

He refuses to believe them because he just loves her too much and still thinks of her purity on their wedding day. He's in love with a memory. That girl no longer exists.

Bob, welcome to the conversation.

This abominable doctrine has been preached for years. All of your AFF friends know this. Doctors Segraves and Bernard know this. You know this.

Stop defending it Bob and start demanding answers.

Somebody's been unfaithful.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I have been following this thread, and admit it amuses me.

Where has Bob been living?

He's like the guy whose wife has been cheating on him for years. His friends have told him over and over about her unfaithfulness, but he is so blinded by love that he just can't see the truth, and refuses to acknowledge that evidence of her adultery exists.

He refuses to believe them because he just loves her too much and still thinks of her purity on their wedding day. He's in love with a memory. That girl no longer exists.

Bob, welcome to the conversation.

This abominable doctrine has been preached for years. All of your AFF friends know this. Doctors Segraves and Bernard know this. You know this.

Stop defending it Bob and start demanding answers.

Somebody's been unfaithful.

Exactly like Dale Dribble, his wife Nancy, and her "lover"/Dale's friend, John Redcorn.





Dale's "son" Jospeh

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I have been following this thread, and admit it amuses me.

Where has Bob been living?

He's like the guy whose wife has been cheating on him for years. His friends have told him over and over about her unfaithfulness, but he is so blinded by love that he just can't see the truth, and refuses to acknowledge that evidence of her adultery exists.

He refuses to believe them because he just loves her too much and still thinks of her purity on their wedding day. He's in love with a memory. That girl no longer exists.

Bob, welcome to the conversation.

This abominable doctrine has been preached for years. All of your AFF friends know this. Doctors Segraves and Bernard know this. You know this.

Stop defending it Bob and start demanding answers.

Somebody's been unfaithful.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I have been following this thread, and admit it amuses me.

Where has Bob been living?

He's like the guy whose wife has been cheating on him for years. His friends have told him over and over about her unfaithfulness, but he is so blinded by love that he just can't see the truth, and refuses to acknowledge that evidence of her adultery exists.

He refuses to believe them because he just loves her too much and still thinks of her purity on their wedding day. He's in love with a memory. That girl no longer exists.

Bob, welcome to the conversation.

This abominable doctrine has been preached for years. All of your AFF friends know this. Doctors Segraves and Bernard know this. You know this.

Stop defending it Bob and start demanding answers.

Somebody's been unfaithful.

Edward,
I really don't think he is doing that. I am seeing a very subtle error in this teaching. When you teach that "for this cause" is talking about angels and hair instead of identifying that as the order of creation and gender disctinction, it can only bring out this subtle teaching.

I think BD is starting to identify that as he has not been taught correctly. At least I hope this is the case.

I doubt very many people, including a host of women, have ever looked at verse 10 and even tried to identify the "cause" spoken of.

It's so subtle that someone can look at you and say, "But, my submission does bring power."

Do you see how subtle that is? The whole thing was presented in the wrong way and it is very easy, if you aren't paying attention, to do it! This is very scary, I think.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Edward,
I really don't think he is doing that. I am seeing a very subtle error in this teaching. When you teach that "for this cause" is talking about angels and hair instead of identifying that as the order of creation and gender disctinction, it can only bring out this subtle teaching.

I think BD is starting to identify that as he has not been taught correctly. At least I hope this is the case.

I doubt very many people, including a host of women, have ever looked at verse 10 and even tried to identify the "cause" spoken of.

It's so subtle that someone can look at you and say, "But, my submission does bring power."

Do you see how subtle that is? The whole thing was presented in the wrong way and it is very easy, if you aren't paying attention, to do it! This is very scary, I think.

I think your assessment is accurate here PO. Thanks...

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I think your assessment is accurate here PO. Thanks...

I think you are trying to find your way and you are supporting those things that have made sense to you, not willing to change them unless more clarification came forth. I can respect that.

Let us bind together in prayer on this issue. That God would close our mind to false doctrine and open our minds and hearts to His truth and His interpretation.

Amen!

Now, I really have to log out! lol

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Now, I really have to log out! lol

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I think your assessment is accurate here PO. Thanks...

BD, I do have a serious question for you, it's a three parter:

1.) Do you believe that an unsaved woman with uncut hair has power with angels?

2.) Do you believe that a saved woman with cut hair has power with angels?

3.) Do you believe that it takes BOTH uncut hair and salvation to have this power?

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

BD, I do have a serious question for you, it's a three parter:

1.) Do you believe that an unsaved woman with uncut hair has power with angels?

No...

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

2.) Do you believe that a saved woman with cut hair has power with angels?

I believe a saved woman, converted according to Acts 2:38 that is moving in the direction of christian maturity, whethor or not she has recently cut her hair, has authority in the spirit realm because of the obedience and submission she has in her life at that point.

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

3.) Do you believe that it takes BOTH uncut hair and salvation to have this power?

As a woman is directed by the Spirit to 1 Cor 11, either through preaching, discipleship, or her own consecration and study (after conversion), and she rejects the admonitions of order of creation compliance, including uncut hair from 1 Cor 11, the authority she has in the spirit realm will wane. If she (or a man who refuses to keep his hair short) continually rejects these scriptural instructions, it will only affect them adversely spiritually...

I didn't answer your question the way you worded it, but I hope you can understand the sentiment behind my verbiage.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

No...



I believe a saved woman, converted according to Acts 2:38 that is moving in the direction of christian maturity, whethor or not she has recently cut her hair, has authority in the spirit realm because of the obedience and submission she has in her life at that point.




As a woman is directed by the Spirit to 1 Cor 11, either through preaching, discipleship, or her own consecration and study (after conversion), and she rejects the admonitions of order of creation compliance, including uncut hair from 1 Cor 11, the authority she has in the spirit realm will wane. If she (or a man who refuses to keep his hair short) continually rejects these scriptural instructions, it will only affect them adversely spiritually...

I didn't answer your question the way you worded it, but I hope you can understand the sentiment behind my verbiage.

You answered my question quite well, actually.

Here's my take on the situation - when we say that the "uncut hair" contains the power, we open a can of worms. I'm not saying that YOU are saying this, but several do.

Here are the problems:

*If there is power in uncut hair, then that power would be doled out to all females with uncut hair, even witches.

*If there is power in uncut hair, then a new convert who still trims her hair, even though her heart is pure, will never have the power.

*If there is power in uncut hair, a backslidden Christian who is living in sin, but who's hair is uncut, WILL still have the power.

*And, then, as PO mentioned, who even knows if "long" means uncut? I know the meaning has been stretched to make it mean that in our circles, but study doesn't really bear that out.

Bottom line - forget the hair as a talisman, let's just call a spade a spade - the power in a believer's life comes from prayer and fasting, THAT is scriptural. If you, or anyone else, can provide ANY scripture that connects the power of a believer with "their works" other than prayer and fasting, and not "God's favor", I would love to see the references.