Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by jfrog

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So what has been done by LS is that he has taken the general teaching of obedience leading to authority and added miraculous happenings to the authority that comes from this one particular kind of obedience. Since miraculous things are not spoken of as happening when obeying anything else then he has given obedience to uncut hair a place of higher esteem than obedience to anything else.

Ok, this just happened to me Saturday-

I was at a conference here in town, the church was not UPC. But Keith I saw someone we knew from when we attended a UPC church.

She relayed this story to me as to why she left: She was somewhere (leaving that part out) and they had just preached this message, just like jfrog is saying, miracles from obedience to uncut hair-
She was one of the few present with obvious cut hair. The pastor's wife comes up to her and says "If you stop cutting your hair, God will put back together your marriage." Well she didn't have any marital problems to begin with! Then they had all the women with uncut hair come to the alter and pray for the sick. You could not come forward to pray for others if you had cut hair.

To a visitor this stuff must look crazy!

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

Ok, this just happened to me Saturday-

I was at a conference here in town, the church was not UPC. But Keith I saw someone we knew from when we attended a UPC church.

She relayed this story to me as to why she left: She was somewhere (leaving that part out) and they had just preached this message, just like jfrog is saying, miracles from obedience to uncut hair-
She was one of the few present with obvious cut hair. The pastor's wife comes up to her and says "If you stop cutting your hair, God will put back together your marriage." Well she didn't have any marital problems to begin with! Then they had all the women with uncut hair come to the alter and pray for the sick. You could not come forward to pray for others if you had cut hair.

To a visitor this stuff must look crazy!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

Ok, this just happened to me Saturday-

I was at a conference here in town, the church was not UPC. But Keith I saw someone we knew from when we attended a UPC church.

She relayed this story to me as to why she left: She was somewhere (leaving that part out) and they had just preached this message, just like jfrog is saying, miracles from obedience to uncut hair-
She was one of the few present with obvious cut hair. The pastor's wife comes up to her and says "If you stop cutting your hair, God will put back together your marriage." Well she didn't have any marital problems to begin with! Then they had all the women with uncut hair come to the alter and pray for the sick. You could not come forward to pray for others if you had cut hair.

To a visitor this stuff must look crazy!

This is destroying the idea of God's order of creation. This is feminizing the church more than it already had been. My bible says CALL FOR THE ELDERS to pray, not CALL FOR THE SPLIT ENDZ

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

This is destroying the idea of God's order of creation. This is feminizing the church more than it already had been.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

This is destroying the idea of God's order of creation. This is feminizing the church more than it already had been. My bible says CALL FOR THE ELDERS to pray, not CALL FOR THE SPLIT ENDZ

That is a VERY good point! It is taking away the importance of the Male role in church.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

That is a VERY good point! It is taking away the importance of the Male role in church.

The irony of it all ... while claiming to adhere to the divine order of creation it emasculates and castrates men .... I would hope this isn't the ulterior motive.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by DAII

The irony of it all ... while claiming to adhere to the divine order of creation it emasculates and castrates men .... I would hope this isn't the ulterior motive.

This is a serious non sequitor... This is a conclusion you have arrived at, but is not the necessary flow of logic. It could be seen as a way to empower men, who choose faithful, godly women as their spouses, rather that sensual, vain ones... A man who finds a wife has found a good thing, and "obtaineth favor of the Lord". A good, godly, submissive, and obedient wife is an asset to a God-fearing man, not a source of "emasculation". Again, your argument is non sequitor... an illogical conclusion.

[EA]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

This is a serious non sequitor... This is a conclusion you have arrived at, but is not the necessary flow of logic. It could be seen as a way to empower men, who choose faithful, godly women as their spouses, rather that sensual, vain ones... A man who finds a wife has found a good thing, and "obtaineth favor of the Lord". A good, godly, submissive, and obedient wife is an asset to a God-fearing man, not a source of "emasculation". Again, your argument is non sequitor... an illogical conclusion.

I can hear it now.

LS at the next singles conference.

"Young men, look for a woman with uncut hair. Let her lay her hair over your resume. You will get more preaching engagements if you marry a woman with this special power."

[DAII]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

This is a serious non sequitor... This is a conclusion you have arrived at, but is not the necessary flow of logic. It could be seen as a way to empower men, who choose faithful, godly women as their spouses, rather that sensual, vain ones... A man who finds a wife has found a good thing, and "obtaineth favor of the Lord". A good, godly, submissive, and obedient wife is an asset to a God-fearing man, not a source of "emasculation". Again, your argument is non sequitor... an illogical conclusion.

This coming from a guy who claimed not to be debating ....

You continue to be the butt of the joke.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by DAII

This coming from a guy who claimed not to be debating ....

You continue to be the butt of the joke.

And you're just a plain ol'... umm... er... uhhh.... well... , you're clearly satisfied to disengage your intellect from the words that proceed from the typing of your fingers. I made the observance about you logic being a non sequitor fallacy, as a means of rectifying your thinking process, not for scoring points in a debate. I actually did it out of concern for you Dan, for your enduring proclivity to arrive at incoherent and nonsensical conclusions...