Noah and the Ark

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I disagree. I'll admit that the whole evolution/creation thing (Theistic Evolution) has been a bitterly tough pill for me to swallow but I don't believe God, AT ALL, is eliminated from the equation. For me, all this does is explain God and make Him more touchable.

If we eliminate God from the process, we would need to explain where all the "stuff" came from in the first place and for me, that can't possibly be done without God.

••And can I just add...this thread is the kind of thing that makes this a great forum.

Most evolutionary experts, the most educated in their field admit that according to their theory God is absolultely unnecessary. Most are atheists and agnostics who believe just as naturally occuring conditions and circumstances cause life to evolve, so to naturally occuring conditions and circumstances originated the universe via the Big Bang.

Essentially you're taking their theory and injecting a little God into it.

So do you believe God guided man's evolution from early primates or that God created Adam in His own image?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Most evolutionary experts, the most educated in their field admit that according to their theory God is absolultely unnecessary. Most are atheists and agnostics who believe just as naturally occuring conditions and circumstances cause life to evolve, so to naturally occuring conditions and circumstances originated the universe via the Big Bang.

Essentially you're taking their theory and injecting a little God into it.

So do you believe God guided man's evolution from early primates or that God created Adam in His own image?

I would think that we're taking their theory, which is completely scientifically sound, and injecting a LOT of God into it.

And I don't really see how it matters if "evolutionary experts" are dismissive of God. The fact remains, the "stuff" that evolved into the "stuff" had to come from somewhere, and someONE had to set it all in motion. The mathematical possibilities of all of it happening without God are completely absurd. So I don't see a "little" of God in it.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I would think that we're taking their theory, which is completely scientifically sound, and inject a LOT of God into it.

And I don't really see how it matters if "evolutionary experts" are dismissive of God. The fact remains, the "stuff" that evolved into the "stuff" had to come from somewhere, and someONE had to set it all in motion. The mathematical possibilities of all of it happening without God are completely absurd. So I don't see a "little" of God in it.

Given enough time the probabilities of the universe forming and life evolving without God are actually quite high according to leading evolutionists. Our own Big Bang may be only one in an immeasurable billions, upon multiplied billions of Big Bangs. Mathematically speaking, if it's possible for certain conditions to be suitable for life to form from natural processes... given the number of universes that may have existed and their development the odds are quite high.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Given enough time the probabilities of the universe forming and life evolving without God are actually quite high according to leading evolutionists. Our own Big Bang may be only one in an immeasurable billions, upon multiplied billions of Big Bangs. Mathematically speaking, if it's possible for certain conditions to be suitable for life to form from natural processes... given the number of universes that may have existed and their development the odds are quite high.

...and where did those universes come from? Spontaneous Generation is so incredibly unlikely, that the earth, even at the 4 billion year old age, would need much longer to produce spontaneous generation as many times as it would have taken to produce male and female forms at the same time (in order to reproduce) in as many different species as we have.

There certainly is some "theory" in the "Theory of Evolution" but it's based on absolute fact, and I believe those "facts" work perfectly with what God has formed.

But ultimately, I won't pretend to be an expert in this. This thread has been like a college class!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by notofworks

...and where did those universes come from? Spontaneous Generation is so incredibly unlikely, that the earth, even at the 4 billion year old age, would need much longer to produce spontaneous generation as many times as it would have taken to produce male and female forms at the same time (in order to reproduce) in as many different species as we have.

There certainly is some "theory" in the "Theory of Evolution" but it's based on absolute fact, and I believe those "facts" work perfectly with what God has formed.

But ultimately, I won't pretend to be an expert in this. This thread has been like a college class!

I've read where physists claim that it's not unlikely or a miracle at all. Universes form and pass away like the weather. It's just physics they say.

As for the "facts"... they are "facts" as the evolutionists interpret them.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've read where physists claim that it's not unlikely or a miracle at all. Universes form and pass away like the weather. It's just physics they say.

Yes, and I can find a number of experts who have determined that it was impossible the the WTC to have collapsed on 9-11...that it had to have been set with explosives and that George W. Bush was responsible. One can always locate someone with a certain point of view.

So yeah, there are physicists and experts that say a little bit of everything.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Yes, and I can find a number of experts who have determined that it was impossible the the WTC to have collapsed on 9-11...that it had to have been set with explosives and that George W. Bush was responsible. One can always locate someone with a certain point of view.

So yeah, there are physicists and experts that say a little bit of everything.

The theory of evolution in it's purest form is atheistic. It's the development of life through natural forces.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I've read where physists claim that it's not unlikely or a miracle at all. Universes form and pass away like the weather. It's just physics they say.

Quantum physics, String Theory and quatum vacuum fluctuations deserve their own thread(s). If you find time to read in this area you'll end up feeling like a believer and not an atheist at all. This is where I was torn away from my thoughts of atheism several years back.

Originally Posted by Aquila

As for the "facts"... they are "facts" as the evolutionists interpret them.

I'm probably wating my breath... but name a few.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Quantum physics, String Theory and quatum vacuum fluctuations deserve their own thread(s). If you find time to read in this area you'll end up feeling like a believer and not an atheist at all. This is where I was torn away from my thoughts of atheism several years back.

I would LOVE to hear more about this. I feel like a little kid in a candy store with all this. You seriously need to start your own Bible School. I'd be the first student. My journey through much of this, but on 1/50th the information, led me into a firm relationship with Christ, much more than the flannelgraph stories did. So the more you have to say about it, the better.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I would think that we're taking their theory, which is completely scientifically sound, and inject a LOT of God into it.

And I don't really see how it matters if "evolutionary experts" are dismissive of God. The fact remains, the "stuff" that evolved into the "stuff" had to come from somewhere, and someONE had to set it all in motion. The mathematical possibilities of all of it happening without God are completely absurd. So I don't see a "little" of God in it.

While atheism does represent the philosophical beliefs of a significant number of those in the scientific community, it's hard to say that they represent the majority.

Certainly the statement, "the best educated" [are atheists] is rife with problems. Just what does that mean when you're standing in a hall filled with 200 Ph.D.'s? Who is the "most educated?" Even with the egos you'd expect to find in such a room, it would probably be very hard to find anyone willing to even attempt such a sorting.

The whole modern scene of the Scientific Revolution and the Enlightenment in general came on the heels of the horrible convulsions of the Religious Wars, The Thirty Years War and numerous religious crusades that devastated Europe. It's pretty easy to see how many people were looking for something that would alleviate all of the ills that religion had brought upon them.

But you really need to read the writings of the time as well. The movers and thinkers behind this scientific progress were almost always very careful and generally pious men. Isaac Newton wrote far more about the Book of Daniel and Revelation then he did about gravity.

It was the evidence that changed things. The canals that were being dug all over Europe to advance the new age of industry revealed incredible secrets right in front of the eyes of anyone who wandered out of their own home. This was the impetus behind much of it.

http://www.amazon.com/Map-That-Chang...9027801&sr=8-1